[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Stalin, soviet.ruleset and other things [Was: Re: (PR#15446) undesirable rulers]

["Daniel Markstedt" <himasaram@xxxxxxxx>]

<URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=15446 >

On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 02:46 -0800, Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote:
> <URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=15446 >
> 
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:50:06 -0800
> Christian Knoke <chrisk AT cknoke.de> wrote:
> > Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote on Feb 16, 00:51 (-0800):
> > > Jason Short <jdorje AT users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > <skip/>
> > > > Now, on this topic, what about Stalin?  He has already been removed 
> > > > from 
> > > > the Russian ruleset and added to the Soviet one.  How do we resolve 
> > > > this 
> > > > with keeping Hitler in the German ruleset?  The Soviet Union was no 
> > > > less 
> > > > the same as the Russian nation than nazi germany was part of historical 
> > > > Germany.
> > >
> > > 0. My wish was to add soviet nation, and I will strongly against removing 
> > > it.
> > > (Yeah, I'm soviet ;) One of the reason is WW2 scenarios.
> >
> > Soviet should stay, yes. What does 'transitional' mean?
> 
> Hm, there was a discussion about this name earlier. But we can ask Daniel 
> again ;)
> 
> > > 1. Stalin was _moved_ from russian.ruleset to soviet.ruleset (There was
> > > no removing)
> > > 2. Stalin never was Russia ruler. But he was famous and popular Soviet 
> > > ruler.
> > > 3. Juridically, Russian Empire, Soviet Union and Russian Federation are 
> > > (and
> > > were) three different states.
> >
> > Yes. Currently, russian.ruleset is flagged as modern *and* medieval. So,
> > this is a reference to a continuating russian identity which lasts from
> > medieval times to now. If we talk of a russian history here, then I think
> > Stalin is not an unimportant part of it.
> 
> And Lenin, and Gorbachov too (but I dislike the idea of adding latter to 
> rulers
> list.)

It's not unusual that a nation is in essence pre-modern but still
flagged as Modern as well, since it is presently in existence as an
independent nation. Good examples are Mongol or Mali nations.

> 
> > Therefore I would just add it to the russian set and keep him in the
> > soviet one, too. This should be technically possible, not?
> 
> We have (had?) policy on cities that their names should not intercross.
> I don't know a thing, but I thought that leader names shouldn't intercross
> either. Is this question open?
> If we allow duplicating, I have nothing against Stalin to be in 
> russian.ruleset.
> If we disallow this, I vote for Stalin to be in soviet.ruleset.
> 

The server won't start if there are duplicate identical names in leader
lists. The (ugly) solution is to use different spellings of one person's
name.

-Daniel