[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Stalin, soviet.ruleset and other things [Was: Re: (PR#15446) undesirable rulers]

["Egor Vyscrebentsov" <evyscr@xxxxxxxxx>]

<URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=15446 >

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:50:06 -0800
Christian Knoke <chrisk AT cknoke.de> wrote:
> Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote on Feb 16, 00:51 (-0800):
> > Jason Short <jdorje AT users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >
> > <skip/>
> > > Now, on this topic, what about Stalin?  He has already been removed from 
> > > the Russian ruleset and added to the Soviet one.  How do we resolve this 
> > > with keeping Hitler in the German ruleset?  The Soviet Union was no less 
> > > the same as the Russian nation than nazi germany was part of historical 
> > > Germany.
> >
> > 0. My wish was to add soviet nation, and I will strongly against removing 
> > it.
> > (Yeah, I'm soviet ;) One of the reason is WW2 scenarios.
>
> Soviet should stay, yes. What does 'transitional' mean?

Hm, there was a discussion about this name earlier. But we can ask Daniel again 
;)

> > 1. Stalin was _moved_ from russian.ruleset to soviet.ruleset (There was
> > no removing)
> > 2. Stalin never was Russia ruler. But he was famous and popular Soviet 
> > ruler.
> > 3. Juridically, Russian Empire, Soviet Union and Russian Federation are (and
> > were) three different states.
>
> Yes. Currently, russian.ruleset is flagged as modern *and* medieval. So,
> this is a reference to a continuating russian identity which lasts from
> medieval times to now. If we talk of a russian history here, then I think
> Stalin is not an unimportant part of it.

And Lenin, and Gorbachov too (but I dislike the idea of adding latter to rulers
list.)

> Therefore I would just add it to the russian set and keep him in the
> soviet one, too. This should be technically possible, not?

We have (had?) policy on cities that their names should not intercross.
I don't know a thing, but I thought that leader names shouldn't intercross
either. Is this question open?
If we allow duplicating, I have nothing against Stalin to be in russian.ruleset.
If we disallow this, I vote for Stalin to be in soviet.ruleset.

-- 
Thanks, evyscr

PS I think that technical details about duplicating are for another ticket.