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["The PC-Zone" <pczone@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I would love to provide more info, but when asked to do something, or asked
like what output I am using, I am immediatly lost.  I would love to cut and
past os items for you, but I am using my Microsoft Windows 2000 Server to
access the internet, I have not bothered putting the Linux machine online
other then to download A program or two.  Now what is happening, and the
only reason I know this is becuase a guy that has had a little more
experince then me called, and talked to me for a few Minutes (I finally
found some one that was willing to explain what the hell they where talking
about).  I am using Kpackages, and when I click install, it takes me to the
next selection where I choose the program I want to install, and when I put
a check mark by the program I want, and click install next, it takes me
right back to the beggining.
On antoher Note, I would love to read the manual, if I had one!
Now on a more up note, my corporation, just authorized me to throw Linux out
the door, and go t back to all Microsoft Windows  2000© Machines,.
----- Original Message -----
From: "gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman)" <>
To: <linux-help@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: [linux-help] Re: help installing programs


>
> On Saturday 17 August 2002 10:42 am, you wrote:
>
> > good Linux is, and how I should learn about Linux.  From what I have
> > expereince in the past 20 days is that Linux, and the poeple using it
> > perfer to keep the secret on how to use the program to them self.  I
>
> this is something i have never seen, heard, or experienced myself in the
> 5 or 6 years i've been working with linux... i would guess atleast 90%
> of all linux users are extatic to bring a new user to linux and are
> more than willing to help out as long as the user wants help, is
> willing to do some research on their own, and most importantly follows
> directions.
>
> > getting is frustrated.  I have even offered my toll free number to
> > any one that could call, and explain a little about linux, and I got
> > no response.
>
> you have to remember that for some of us on this list, this is just a
> "respond when you have a free second" list at times...  ie: i'm
> attending school this year while working and going through a custody
> battle for my son....  i don't have time to give someone a call and
> walk them through installation of a program, but i'm more than willing
> to drop an e-mail to the list when i get a chance (be it 4pm or 4am)...
>
> > Is Linux some sort of secret program, that only a few
> > certain poeple hold the knoledge, and the others are left out?  I
>
> no, go to the bookstore... there are quite a few books out there...
> also, sites such as linuxnewbie.org and linuxdocs.org have been more
> than helpful...  and when people say RTFM, they aren't always kidding..
> you can learn a lot by actually reading the manual or instructions...
>
> > have come to the conculsion the reason Linux is not as Popular as
> > Microsoft Products is that no one is willing to help, and have
> > patients for some one who gets dumped into a new inviroment, tring to
> > meet deadlines, and is realizing that the more he ask the less he
> > understands.  To conculd, I would like to say thank you for what
> > little help I got, and appriciate the little help a few of you where
> > able to provide to me.
>
> so, after 2 days of emails, you decide this based on what?  many have
> e-mailed, but have you followed any of the instructions/requests?  i
> asked you what commands, output, etc you are seeing/using, but i
> haven't gotten anything more than "i'm using rpm to install qmail."
> well, are you doing it on the commandline ('rpm -Uvh <qmail-rpm>')?
> are you using a gui client (ie: KDE or GNOME based installer)?  you say
> it keeps going in loops...  what do you mean?  what is the _exact_
> output that you are seeing? (btw, if you're in a gui environment, you
> can hilight the text in your xterm and then middle-click [or click both
> mouse buttons if you don't have a middle mouse button] and it will
> paste the selected text wherever you click)
>
> basically, before i or anyone else can really help out, we need some
> _real_ information...  when i ask what output you are seeing, i expect
> to see a cut and paste version of what you are seeing on the
> commandline there, not a general "i did this" type of response...  i
> think i speak for most everyone on this list when i say we are more
> than willing to help, but you have to help us help you by following
> directions and giving the information requested...
>
> good luck,
> gLaNDix
>
>
> >
> > Justin
> > 866-327-6644
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Koji Hayakawa" <sylf@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <linux-help@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:00 AM
> > Subject: [linux-help] Re: help installing programs
> >
> > > I would suggest you drop qmail for a while, then.  Go read more
> > > about
> >
> > Linux
> >
> > > in general.  Go buy a book on Linux.  Buy any book like Linux for
> > > dummies
> >
> > or
> >
> > > Beginning Linux or Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours or whatever.
> > > Just
> >
> > spend
> >
> > > some time reading these books, and try what the book suggest you to
> > > try. The hands-on experience will teach you.  And if you don't
> > > understand
> >
> > what's
> >
> > > going on in the book then come back to this mailing list and ask
> >
> > questions.
> >
> > > Also, try finding documents in http://www.linug.org and
> >
> > http://www.tldp.org.
> >
> > > I believe entry level Linux courses are waiste of money and time.
> > >
> > > Get comfortable how to get around the system.  Get used to command
> > > lines. Learn to read on-line manual pages (man command).  They will
> > > benefit you,
> >
> > if
> >
> > > you want to learn Linux.
> > >
> > > ***********************
> > >
> > > Back to couple lines of your reply....
> > >
> > > "Whatever RPM program came with Red Hat 7.3" won't tell us
> > > anything.  As
> >
> > far
> >
> > > as I know, it loads the command line RPM program, Gnome version of
> > > RPM manager, and KDE's RPM manager.
> > >
> > > And FYI, "KDE Version of Linux" is not proper way to express a
> > > version of Linux.  KDE is what's so called "Desktop Environment."
> > > It can run any version of Linux running X Windows.  It actually
> > > runs on any Unix or
> >
> > Linux.
> >
> > > So in your case, you are using "Red Hat Linux 7.3, running KDE."
> > >
> > > ***********************
> > >
> > > Not to be rude, but let me end the note with this quote from
> > > certain Linux User Group's Mailing List FAQ:
> > >
> > > Q: I want to post a question.
> > > A:  First of all, read this wonderful resource. How To Ask
> > > Questions The Smart Way
> > > (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html). In
> >
> > short,
> >
> > > if you're posting a question, try to do some research before you
> > > post it. Describe your environment. Define your problem and attach
> > > logs whenever possible so that it is easier for others to diagnose
> > > the problem.
> >
> > Otherwise
> >
> > > expect to be told to RTFM.
> > > (http://www.tuxede.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#RTFM)
> > >
> > > (from http://www.tlug.jp/listpolicy.decorated.html)
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: linux-help-bounce@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:linux-help-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of The PC-Zone
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:36 AM
> > > > To: linux-help@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [linux-help] Re: help installing programs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The exact URL or the program I got is
> >
> > http://www.qmail.org/rpms/var-qmail/
> >
> > > > I am using what ever RPM program came with Red Hat 7.3
> > > > And my leval in Linux is approxamently 20 days
> > > > And I am using the KDE Version of Linux.
> > > > Do you know of any good Training Classes a person can take on
> > > > Linux? Justin
> > >
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