[linux-help] Re: help installing programs

[phrostie <pfrostie@xxxxxxxxx>]

the past two months i've noticed an increase in people (on many diffenent 
lists) claiming to want help but then doing nothing but ignoring the advice 
and claiming that no one is helping.  i'm sorry that you are no longer in 
your natural element but a little effort on your part would go a long way.
i understand not being able to work on the type of system you prefer.
from time to time i have to work on an NT box and i'm really unconfortable 
with it.  every time i want to do something as simple as printing i have to 
start from scratch because it won't remember my printer settings.  doesn't 
seem very userfriendly to me.  

but anyway.  you seem to be not understanding what you are being told.
this is normally because of terms and ideas that you may not be familiar with.
no secrets, really.  the advice given was for you to do a little homework.
i don't care for the dummies books, but the general direction is correct.

the books i would recomend would be along the lines of Linux in a Nutshell,
Running Linux, and Linux Network Administrators Guide.  there are others, but 
these are my favorites.

best of luck, and remember that if you convince yourself that you will fail, 
then you will.

On Saturday 17 August 2002 11:42, you wrote:
> I would love to drop qmail, but less then 20 days ago Linux was dumped on
> me, I have over ten years of experience in Microsoft Windows NT.  I
> understand how Microsoft works, and how everything runs in Microsoft.  Now
> Linux is a new experience for me, just like I am sure at one time you where
> new to the Linux inviroment.  Unlike you I do not have a good understanding
> of how things work in the Linux inviroment.  I have a good feel on how to
> navigate around Linux, but not to install programs.  So before you tell
> some one where to go think back to when you first started.  So unlike you,
> I have not got the experience on Linux.  All I ever here is about how good
> Linux is, and how I should learn about Linux.  From what I have expereince
> in the past 20 days is that Linux, and the poeple using it perfer to keep
> the secret on how to use the program to them self.  I have tried Red Hat
> for support, I have tried these E-mail help Places, I have Asked poeple,
> who use Linux, and all I have been getting is frustrated.  I have even
> offered my toll free number to any one that could call, and explain a
> little about linux, and I got no response.  Is Linux some sort of secret
> program, that only a few certain poeple hold the knoledge, and the others
> are left out?  I have come to the conculsion the reason Linux is not as
> Popular as Microsoft Products is that no one is willing to help, and have
> patients for some one who gets dumped into a new inviroment, tring to meet
> deadlines, and is realizing that the more he ask the less he understands. 
> To conculd, I would like to say thank you for what little help I got, and
> appriciate the little help a few of you where able to provide to me.
>
> Justin
> 866-327-6644
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Koji Hayakawa" <sylf@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <linux-help@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:00 AM
> Subject: [linux-help] Re: help installing programs
>
> > I would suggest you drop qmail for a while, then.  Go read more about
>
> Linux
>
> > in general.  Go buy a book on Linux.  Buy any book like Linux for dummies
>
> or
>
> > Beginning Linux or Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours or whatever.  Just
>
> spend
>
> > some time reading these books, and try what the book suggest you to try.
> > The hands-on experience will teach you.  And if you don't understand
>
> what's
>
> > going on in the book then come back to this mailing list and ask
>
> questions.
>
> > Also, try finding documents in http://www.linug.org and
>
> http://www.tldp.org.
>
> > I believe entry level Linux courses are waiste of money and time.
> >
> > Get comfortable how to get around the system.  Get used to command lines.
> > Learn to read on-line manual pages (man command).  They will benefit you,
>
> if
>
> > you want to learn Linux.
> >
> > ***********************
> >
> > Back to couple lines of your reply....
> >
> > "Whatever RPM program came with Red Hat 7.3" won't tell us anything.  As
>
> far
>
> > as I know, it loads the command line RPM program, Gnome version of RPM
> > manager, and KDE's RPM manager.
> >
> > And FYI, "KDE Version of Linux" is not proper way to express a version of
> > Linux.  KDE is what's so called "Desktop Environment."  It can run any
> > version of Linux running X Windows.  It actually runs on any Unix or
>
> Linux.
>
> > So in your case, you are using "Red Hat Linux 7.3, running KDE."
> >
> > ***********************
> >
> > Not to be rude, but let me end the note with this quote from certain
> > Linux User Group's Mailing List FAQ:
> >
> > Q: I want to post a question.
> > A:  First of all, read this wonderful resource. How To Ask Questions The
> > Smart Way (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html). In
>
> short,
>
> > if you're posting a question, try to do some research before you post it.
> > Describe your environment. Define your problem and attach logs whenever
> > possible so that it is easier for others to diagnose the problem.
>
> Otherwise
>
> > expect to be told to RTFM.
> > (http://www.tuxede.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#RTFM)
> >
> > (from http://www.tlug.jp/listpolicy.decorated.html)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: linux-help-bounce@xxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:linux-help-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of The PC-Zone
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:36 AM
> > > To: linux-help@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [linux-help] Re: help installing programs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The exact URL or the program I got is
>
> http://www.qmail.org/rpms/var-qmail/
>
> > > I am using what ever RPM program came with Red Hat 7.3
> > > And my leval in Linux is approxamently 20 days
> > > And I am using the KDE Version of Linux.
> > > Do you know of any good Training Classes a person can take on Linux?
> > > Justin
> >
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