[Freeciv-Dev] Re: (PR#13845) Increasing the appeal of very large cities

["Peter Schaefer" <peter.schaefer@xxxxxxxxx>]

<URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=13845 >

It takes ages to get to size 32, anyone trying it will get killed by
smallpox, and the game would take very long if getting to size 32 was
the best strategy.

of course you could try to make it easier to make the city grow by
celebrating, but that is not very neat

maybe one could have a government which somehow gives benefits to the
capital only, so that it would be good to grow the capital.

On 9/3/05, Brian Dunstan <bdunstan149@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> <URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=13845 >
> 
> nah, the poster is on the right track.  The point
> isn't to move the sweet spot to size 8, it's to make
> going to size 32 an effective strategy sometimes.
> (Just like in the real world, nations with wealthy
> cities the size of a Paris or London, a New York or
> Tokyo, tend to have a lot of influence)
> 
> How you do this is a different question.  Changing the
> prices for certain improvements and technology may the
> least drastic approach.
> 
> 
> --- Peter Schaefer <peter.schaefer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> >
> > <URL:
> > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=13845
> > >
> >
> > This does not work because there needs to be a
> > reason to prefer one
> > size 6 city over 2 size 4 cities, not reasons to
> > have size 16+ cities
> >
> > On 9/3/05, Antoine Bouchard <osyluth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > <URL:
> > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=13845
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a very small patch that is set to increase
> > the appeal (and
> > > usefullness) of very large cities.
> > >
> > > Why:
> > > It occured to me that all the patches and fixes
> > that are out there to
> > > balance out the smallpox vs largepox issue have
> > all been dealing with
> > > dumbing down smallpox and render it useless. This
> > has taken the form of
> > > rather weird (and not terribly usefull) rules such
> > has minimum distance
> > > between cities and so forth. The problem with this
> > approach is that it
> > > assumes that smallpox is overpowerfull while
> > largepox is just ok. That is
> > > where i disagree, smallpox is not overpowerful, it
> > is largepox that needs
> > > fixing.
> > >
> > > How:
> > > It is actually quite simple. To increase the
> > appeal of very large cities
> > > there should only be a point where the city size
> > activelly contributes to
> > > the food, production and trade of that city.
> > > The patch that i have submitted does only this: It
> > adds the size of the city
> > > -16 (minimum of 0) to food, production and trade.
> > >
> > > So for a city of size 16 there is no bonus
> > > a city of size 17 receives +1/+1/+1
> > > size 21  +5/+5/+5
> > > size 26   +10/+10/+10
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Effects and side effects:
> > > For production and trade, these are straight
> > bonuses. For food it is a bit
> > > insidious. Since each population level consumes 2
> > food per turn, adding a
> > > bonus of one makes it that each pop level beyond
> > 16 actually consumes only
> > > 1. It will makes rapture growing cities larger
> > than what they were (and in
> > > the same time withdraw the oscillating effect from
> > having an odd food
> > > production, ie. growing by 1 one turn, then
> > decreasing by 1 the next).
> > > Because of the bonus in trade, rapture growing
> > cities will tend to stay
> > > longer in rapture.
> > >
> > > It will also make research go faster at the end
> > stages of the game but that
> > > can be dealt with by varying the research cost.
> > And anyway, you will have to
> > > set a non-0% luxury rate at some point to get
> > these large cities.
> > >
> > > Those cities would be nothing short of monstrous
> > production and trading
> > > centers. A city with only grassland around it
> > would still produces a lot of
> > > shield.
> > >
> > > Variations:
> > > If you think that the cities do not get a large
> > enough bonus with this
> > > patch, there is also the possibility of having it
> > kick in at size 12.
> > >
> > > What next:
> > > There should maybe be a 3rd city improvment that
> > would be required to get
> > > passed size 16 (like the aqueduct and sewer
> > system). After building that
> > > improvment, the city becomes a metropolis (which
> > makes me think that it
> > > could be called metropolitain management centre or
> > simply metropolitain
> > > centre, or something less geeky). I could also
> > make a server setting for
> > > this... (if there is interest)
> > >
> > > What to do against such a city:
> > > Want to conquer that city? Easy. Starve it to
> > death. As soon as an enemy
> > > units comes near it, it will start loosing
> > population (and slowly loose its
> > > bonuses)... Unless it has reserves. That could
> > also be finetuned by making
> > > the population unhappy if the city starves.
> > (Dangerous in a democracy).
> > > Anyway, that again only if there is interest.
> > >
> > >
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