[Freeciv-Dev] Re: (PR#7287) Extended Topologies

["Marcelo Burda" <NOSPAM_mburda@xxxxxxxxx>]

<URL: http://rt.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=7287 >

Le dim 22/02/2004 à 03:53, Jason Short a écrit :
> <URL: http://rt.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=7287 >
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> rwetmore@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> > But in all cases, one should ask what the (added) value is to the
> > user and not to the developer that is intrigued with higher math
> > problems rather than game play.
> 
> Yes, this is an issue.  But since the developers are the ones doing the 
> work, the developers are.  Added topologies don't hurt players, they 
> just take more work for the developers.  (And note this work isn't just 
> in terms of writing code for the topology, but in maintaining it as 
> well.  This amounts to an indefinitely large amount of work.)
> 
> > In the latter vein, if you are discussing reverse and reverse-reverse
> > or other weird things that an intelligent 11 year old user would
> > have difficulty following, then you are probably not talking about
> > a useful game topology.
> 
> The player doesn't care what topology he uses.  He just wants the game 
> to be fun.  So it doesn't matter what terms we use; all that matters 
> (from the player's point of view) is how much fun it is.
> 
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> 
> So, I'd consider the extended topologies with both of the above in mind. 
>     Marcelo has already done a lot of work to get a very solid design 
> that gets all the details right.  If we go forward with it, I'm willing 
> to go over it and work through the problems with him.  But if there's 
> _no chance_ that we want this topology, I don't want to do this (and 
> Marcelo's work will have been wasted - very bad!).
thx.
> 
> Consider also that the extended topologies come in several forms.  For 
> instance an offset-wrap as I describe it above will probably not take 
> much work to implement, but gives only a small advantage over the 
> current torus wrapping.  A quincuncial wrapping will take a fair amount 
> of work to implement.  It is of high theoretical interest (how many 
> hours have we spent discussing approximations of a sphere?) but its 
> playability hasn't been determined.  People need to _play_ this thing 
> before we can assess it.
the last quincuntial is realy playable topo. i need correct some
reversed-canvas isues and a litle extention of overview. it is not so
easy as a torus or a mobius(twisted torus) but kep moderatly easy after
some games. And it is the best aproximation of a sphere! 
> 
> jason
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