[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Civ 2 style happiness (PR#1436)

[Raahul Kumar <raahul_da_man@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- "Per I. Mathisen" <Per.Inge.Mathisen@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Christian Knoke (chrisk@xxxxxxxx) wrote:
> > > In a current game I have a city size 11, with a temple. I have
> > > tax = 100% and Michelangelo's. Without specialists I have 3 unhappy
> > > people here. CMA creates 3 scientists, and now I have 8 content, 3
> > > scientists. No elvises are needed to make the unhappy happy. It's
> > > too easy IMO.
> 
> Does CMA ever make elvises?

It hardly ever does so, because the CMA realises what I do. There is almost
never a need for elvises.
 
> On Sat, 11 May 2002, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > This is consistent with PayCiv.  Instead of using 3 Scientists, you could
> > use 2 Elvises.  Or you might be able to do it with 1 Elvis, if you have
> > a Marketplace and a Bank.
> >
> > It's only easy because the computer's doing it for you. :)

Greg, did you ever play Civ 2? This is quite a serious question. Bluntly put,
no amount of scientists in a size 11 city with 3 unhappy people WOULD ever 
solve your unhappiness problems. Is this crystal clear? Only elvises, and
elvises alone, can solve happiness problems in Civ 2 if you lack happiness
improvs and wonders. Taxmen and scientists do nothing!

But in Freeciv, it does. This bug is very obvious when playing with the CMA.

This is the bug I am fixing Per. You seem to agree that this is a bug in the
current implementation. 

Note: A nice side effect of the bug-fix is that it is MUCH harder to make your
cities celebrate now. You need more luxury. A freeciv democracy/republic is
less powerful.

> Still does not sound right to me. But then, I never liked *civ
> implementation of specialists in the first place. Ideally, I think you
> shouldn't get research without scientists, gold without taxmen and
> luxuries without elvises. That'd teach the ICSers!

That would make all < size 5 cities worthless. 

> I have no strong opinions on this patch. If we cannot reach some kind of
> consensus on this, it ain't a bugfix and it ain't going in before release.

Ignore the rest. They are misinformed peasants ;-). Why would a patch author
want to see his patch get into CVS? He has no self interest in it at all*tongue
in cheek*.

> Yours,
> Per
> 
> "As Israeli forces pursued militants, civilians
> continued getting in the way and dying as a
> result." -- New York Times, April 21

Aloha,
RK.

"It would seem that you have no useful skill or talent whatsoever," he said.
"Have you thought of going into teaching?"
{Mort, 1987, Terry Pratchett}

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