[aclug-L] Re: Small Summary of What was decided

[Clint Brubakken <cabrubak@xxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 16:45, Matt Pankratz wrote:
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to provide this information Clint.  I sincerely 
> appreciate it.
> 
> Was there anything deceided about the required frequency of visits to 
> maintain 
> membership status?


nothing definite

> 
> I'm VERY interested in a list that would focus on the business application of 
> Linux solutions.  And, if this requires that I drive down to ICT and hand my 
> email address to someone, I'm willing to do that.

for an email list, of course we wouldn't expect you to become a voting 
member just to be on that list. We'll see how much interest there is in
such a list, and if a lot of people are we'll create it. (If there isn't
I'd be afraid you'd be the only one on the list, which wouldn't be that
helpful for you).  Of course you could discuss this on the general
discussion list also, the local list is primarily for those that go the
meetings, and thats the sort of things we'll discuss, local meetings,
local events.  


How many others are interested and would participate in a seperate list.





Now if you wanted us to have meetings on it we'd like you to come to the
meetings :) 


Does anyone else want a sim





> 
> > his message came out kinda harsh. 
> > 
> > What we decided was to create a special list for local people, to
> > discuss things like meetings and things that would interest  people able to
> > attend meetings or that have seen us locally.  It would also take away from
> > this list a lot of discussion that people thought would better go to
> > another list, so not to annoy those who aren't interested in such. We have
> > a list set up, and it is publically archived, but it is
> > restricted signup, so everyone must be signed up by an admin, (this will be
> > done when they meet us at a meeting and give us their email address) . We
> > are now waiting for everyone to be signed up for the new list. 
> > 
> > We also talked about a form of membership,tentatively called a voting
> > member. 
> > 
> > We discussed various critera for this member one of the most agreed was it
> > should be someone that comes to meetings. 
> > 
> > There was a fear if we didn't do this, someone not really involved might
> > come to a meeting one time and sway an important vote. 
> > 
> > We've also decided to limit our lecuter meetings (previously just called
> > meetings). To one a month, the 2 Monday of the month. We may still add 
> > pure social meetings, installfests, workshops, etc.
> > 
> > We want better control of the website. We want more information to be
> > availble from this. (Dale Hodges and I both now have full access to the
> > website and can change anything on it we want). There was talk of moving it
> > to a locally hosted machine. 
> > 
> > I didn't take notes and this is off the top of my head, so if anyone has
> > anything I missed or misintrepreted let me know. 
> > 
> > Also even though we are creating a seperate email list with membership
> > exclusively for those who attend meeting, we don't want to ignore anyone
> > suggestions, its just that we think the decisions on how we handle meeting
> > and local things should be done by those who attend them. 
> > 
> > None of this will affect the mailing lists, other then possibly moving
> > them. And we plan to improve the website to make it a better source of
> > information.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 15:49, Matt Pankratz wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Well, i hate to tell you this but apparently you are absolutely unaware
> >> > of what happened at yesterdays meeting.. since I didn't see you there
> >> > and this EXACT same issue was discussed completely..  We talked alot
> >> > about having a formal membership to ACLUG for people who attend meetings
> >> > and/or help in aclug events.. I don't think anything was written in
> >> > stone from yesterdays meeting but there was an agreement to start a new
> >> > mailing list and all the members have to sign up in person at a
> >> > meeting...
> >> 
> >> Ryan, I'm sorry that you hate to tell me the facts.  I appreciate the
> >> facts.   Also, have we met before?  I'm not sure how you know I wasn't at
> >> the meeting  last night.  Or how Koji has never been to a meeting (you've
> >> never seen him or  me right?).
> >> 
> >> If the minutes from the meetings aren't posted to the list, how are the
> >> regular  readers of the list supposed to know what happened.  Right,
> >> attend the  meetings.  I get it.
> >>  
> >> > Don't take it wrong, the idea is not to exclude people who don't
> >> > attend.. or try to make the group more CLIQE'ish like some people
> >> > think.. I'm sure everyone in the council gladly accepts all forms of
> >> > input.. I know they are welcoming all the input they can get right
> >> > now... There are aprox 300 people signed up to the ACLUG mailing list
> >> > and there is no way all of those people attend meetings... and at
> >> > meetings is where aclug business takes place, elections are held and
> >> > debates take place.. the truth is that unless you go to the meeting you
> >> > have little or no input on ACLUG business.. Many of the people who
> >> > attend meetings stressed they wanted a place online where business can
> >> > take place (hence the new mailing list)
> >> 
> >> This "new" list idea is inherently exclusionary and seems un-necessary.
> >> 
> >> Why have any list at all? Ryan seems to believe that the MEETINGS and only
> >> the  MEETINGS are the valuable part of ACLUG.  It's where the business
> >> gets done  right?  It the only forum for suggestions and the only channel
> >> that will be  heeded and the only place for decisions to be proposed and
> >> ratified.
> >> 
> >> > Major internal reorginsation of ACLUG is taking place right now and lots
> >> > of things are likely to change in the coming months.. And its the people
> >> > who take the time to attend meetings that the council wants the most
> >> > input from.. Don't take it personal if you have never attended a meeting
> >> > and you seem to get blown off, thruthfully if you don't attend a meeting
> >> > you would be lucky to know 25% of what's going on in ACLUG..
> >> 
> >> I'm glad the group is focused on re-organizing and changing.  I'm sorry
> >> that I  have to hold the conch at a meeting to have my opinions and
> >> suggestions heard.
> >> 
> >> Does anyone from the high holy council accept the responsibility to inform
> >> the  list members of what happened at the meetings?
> >> 
> >> If the meetings are the "thing" or the passkey to ACLUG membership, then
> >> ACLUG  effectively and terminally limits its audience to FAR less than the
> >> 300 current  subscribers to the various lists.  Which seems to me to be
> >> the direct anthesis  of "spreading the linux gospel".
> >> 
> >> In a previous post, I made a suggestion that we be polite and respectful
> >> of  others and their respective opinions and suggestions.
> >> 
> >> I'd like to re-iterate that suggestion.  But, I guess since this
> >> suggestion  wasn't made in a MEETING, it won't be heard.
> >> 
> >> Matt Pankratz
> >> 
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