[aclug-L] Re: An idea -- any volunteers/helpers?

[Matt Pankratz <mattp@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Well, i hate to tell you this but apparently you are absolutely unaware of
> what happened at yesterdays meeting.. since I didn't see you there and this
> EXACT same issue was discussed completely..  We talked alot about having a
> formal membership to ACLUG for people who attend meetings and/or help in
> aclug events.. I don't think anything was written in stone from yesterdays
> meeting but there was an agreement to start a new mailing list and all the
> members have to sign up in person at a meeting...

Ryan, I'm sorry that you hate to tell me the facts.  I appreciate the facts.  
Also, have we met before?  I'm not sure how you know I wasn't at the meeting 
last night.  Or how Koji has never been to a meeting (you've never seen him or 
me right?).

If the minutes from the meetings aren't posted to the list, how are the regular 
readers of the list supposed to know what happened.  Right, attend the 
meetings.  I get it.
 
> Don't take it wrong, the idea is not to exclude people who don't attend..
> or try to make the group more CLIQE'ish like some people think.. I'm sure
> everyone in the council gladly accepts all forms of input.. I know they are
> welcoming all the input they can get right now... There are aprox 300
> people signed up to the ACLUG mailing list and there is no way all of those
> people attend meetings... and at meetings is where aclug business takes
> place, elections are held and debates take place.. the truth is that unless
> you go to the meeting you have little or no input on ACLUG business.. Many
> of the people who attend meetings stressed they wanted a place online where
> business can take place (hence the new mailing list)

This "new" list idea is inherently exclusionary and seems un-necessary.

Why have any list at all? Ryan seems to believe that the MEETINGS and only the 
MEETINGS are the valuable part of ACLUG.  It's where the business gets done 
right?  It the only forum for suggestions and the only channel that will be 
heeded and the only place for decisions to be proposed and ratified.

> Major internal reorginsation of ACLUG is taking place right now and lots of
> things are likely to change in the coming months.. And its the people who
> take the time to attend meetings that the council wants the most input
> from.. Don't take it personal if you have never attended a meeting and you
> seem to get blown off, thruthfully if you don't attend a meeting you would
> be lucky to know 25% of what's going on in ACLUG..

I'm glad the group is focused on re-organizing and changing.  I'm sorry that I 
have to hold the conch at a meeting to have my opinions and suggestions heard.

Does anyone from the high holy council accept the responsibility to inform the 
list members of what happened at the meetings?

If the meetings are the "thing" or the passkey to ACLUG membership, then ACLUG 
effectively and terminally limits its audience to FAR less than the 300 current 
subscribers to the various lists.  Which seems to me to be the direct anthesis 
of "spreading the linux gospel".

In a previous post, I made a suggestion that we be polite and respectful of 
others and their respective opinions and suggestions.

I'd like to re-iterate that suggestion.  But, I guess since this suggestion 
wasn't made in a MEETING, it won't be heard.

Matt Pankratz

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