[aclug-L] Small Summary of What was decided

[Clint Brubakken <cabrubak@xxxxxxx>]

his message came out kinda harsh. 

What we decided was to create a special list for local people, to
discuss things like meetings and things that would interest  people able
to attend meetings or that have seen us locally.  It would also take
away from this list a lot of discussion that people thought would better
go to another list, so not to annoy those who aren't interested in such.
We have a list set up, and it is publically archived, but it is
restricted signup, so everyone must be signed up by an admin, (this will
be done when they meet us at a meeting and give us their email address)
. We are now waiting for everyone to be signed up for the new list. 

We also talked about a form of membership,tentatively called a voting
member. 

We discussed various critera for this member one of the most agreed was
it should be someone that comes to meetings. 

There was a fear if we didn't do this, someone not really involved might
come to a meeting one time and sway an important vote. 

We've also decided to limit our lecuter meetings (previously just called
meetings). To one a month, the 2 Monday of the month. We may still add 
pure social meetings, installfests, workshops, etc.

We want better control of the website. We want more information to be
availble from this. (Dale Hodges and I both now have full access to the
website and can change anything on it we want). There was talk of moving
it to a locally hosted machine. 

I didn't take notes and this is off the top of my head, so if anyone has
anything I missed or misintrepreted let me know. 

Also even though we are creating a seperate email list with membership
exclusively for those who attend meeting, we don't want to ignore anyone
suggestions, its just that we think the decisions on how we handle
meeting and local things should be done by those who attend them. 

None of this will affect the mailing lists, other then possibly moving
them. And we plan to improve the website to make it a better source of
information.






On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 15:49, Matt Pankratz wrote:
> 
> > Well, i hate to tell you this but apparently you are absolutely unaware of
> > what happened at yesterdays meeting.. since I didn't see you there and this
> > EXACT same issue was discussed completely..  We talked alot about having a
> > formal membership to ACLUG for people who attend meetings and/or help in
> > aclug events.. I don't think anything was written in stone from yesterdays
> > meeting but there was an agreement to start a new mailing list and all the
> > members have to sign up in person at a meeting...
> 
> Ryan, I'm sorry that you hate to tell me the facts.  I appreciate the facts.  
> Also, have we met before?  I'm not sure how you know I wasn't at the meeting 
> last night.  Or how Koji has never been to a meeting (you've never seen him 
> or 
> me right?).
> 
> If the minutes from the meetings aren't posted to the list, how are the 
> regular 
> readers of the list supposed to know what happened.  Right, attend the 
> meetings.  I get it.
>  
> > Don't take it wrong, the idea is not to exclude people who don't attend..
> > or try to make the group more CLIQE'ish like some people think.. I'm sure
> > everyone in the council gladly accepts all forms of input.. I know they are
> > welcoming all the input they can get right now... There are aprox 300
> > people signed up to the ACLUG mailing list and there is no way all of those
> > people attend meetings... and at meetings is where aclug business takes
> > place, elections are held and debates take place.. the truth is that unless
> > you go to the meeting you have little or no input on ACLUG business.. Many
> > of the people who attend meetings stressed they wanted a place online where
> > business can take place (hence the new mailing list)
> 
> This "new" list idea is inherently exclusionary and seems un-necessary.
> 
> Why have any list at all? Ryan seems to believe that the MEETINGS and only 
> the 
> MEETINGS are the valuable part of ACLUG.  It's where the business gets done 
> right?  It the only forum for suggestions and the only channel that will be 
> heeded and the only place for decisions to be proposed and ratified.
> 
> > Major internal reorginsation of ACLUG is taking place right now and lots of
> > things are likely to change in the coming months.. And its the people who
> > take the time to attend meetings that the council wants the most input
> > from.. Don't take it personal if you have never attended a meeting and you
> > seem to get blown off, thruthfully if you don't attend a meeting you would
> > be lucky to know 25% of what's going on in ACLUG..
> 
> I'm glad the group is focused on re-organizing and changing.  I'm sorry that 
> I 
> have to hold the conch at a meeting to have my opinions and suggestions heard.
> 
> Does anyone from the high holy council accept the responsibility to inform 
> the 
> list members of what happened at the meetings?
> 
> If the meetings are the "thing" or the passkey to ACLUG membership, then 
> ACLUG 
> effectively and terminally limits its audience to FAR less than the 300 
> current 
> subscribers to the various lists.  Which seems to me to be the direct 
> anthesis 
> of "spreading the linux gospel".
> 
> In a previous post, I made a suggestion that we be polite and respectful of 
> others and their respective opinions and suggestions.
> 
> I'd like to re-iterate that suggestion.  But, I guess since this suggestion 
> wasn't made in a MEETING, it won't be heard.
> 
> Matt Pankratz
> 
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