[aclug-L] Re: [aclug-L] Small Summary of What was decided

[Matt Pankratz <mattp@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for taking the time to provide this information Clint.  I sincerely 
appreciate it.

Was there anything deceided about the required frequency of visits to maintain 
membership status?

I'm VERY interested in a list that would focus on the business application of 
Linux solutions.  And, if this requires that I drive down to ICT and hand my 
email address to someone, I'm willing to do that.

> his message came out kinda harsh. 
> 
> What we decided was to create a special list for local people, to
> discuss things like meetings and things that would interest  people able to
> attend meetings or that have seen us locally.  It would also take away from
> this list a lot of discussion that people thought would better go to
> another list, so not to annoy those who aren't interested in such. We have
> a list set up, and it is publically archived, but it is
> restricted signup, so everyone must be signed up by an admin, (this will be
> done when they meet us at a meeting and give us their email address) . We
> are now waiting for everyone to be signed up for the new list. 
> 
> We also talked about a form of membership,tentatively called a voting
> member. 
> 
> We discussed various critera for this member one of the most agreed was it
> should be someone that comes to meetings. 
> 
> There was a fear if we didn't do this, someone not really involved might
> come to a meeting one time and sway an important vote. 
> 
> We've also decided to limit our lecuter meetings (previously just called
> meetings). To one a month, the 2 Monday of the month. We may still add 
> pure social meetings, installfests, workshops, etc.
> 
> We want better control of the website. We want more information to be
> availble from this. (Dale Hodges and I both now have full access to the
> website and can change anything on it we want). There was talk of moving it
> to a locally hosted machine. 
> 
> I didn't take notes and this is off the top of my head, so if anyone has
> anything I missed or misintrepreted let me know. 
> 
> Also even though we are creating a seperate email list with membership
> exclusively for those who attend meeting, we don't want to ignore anyone
> suggestions, its just that we think the decisions on how we handle meeting
> and local things should be done by those who attend them. 
> 
> None of this will affect the mailing lists, other then possibly moving
> them. And we plan to improve the website to make it a better source of
> information.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 15:49, Matt Pankratz wrote:
>> 
>> > Well, i hate to tell you this but apparently you are absolutely unaware
>> > of what happened at yesterdays meeting.. since I didn't see you there
>> > and this EXACT same issue was discussed completely..  We talked alot
>> > about having a formal membership to ACLUG for people who attend meetings
>> > and/or help in aclug events.. I don't think anything was written in
>> > stone from yesterdays meeting but there was an agreement to start a new
>> > mailing list and all the members have to sign up in person at a
>> > meeting...
>> 
>> Ryan, I'm sorry that you hate to tell me the facts.  I appreciate the
>> facts.   Also, have we met before?  I'm not sure how you know I wasn't at
>> the meeting  last night.  Or how Koji has never been to a meeting (you've
>> never seen him or  me right?).
>> 
>> If the minutes from the meetings aren't posted to the list, how are the
>> regular  readers of the list supposed to know what happened.  Right,
>> attend the  meetings.  I get it.
>>  
>> > Don't take it wrong, the idea is not to exclude people who don't
>> > attend.. or try to make the group more CLIQE'ish like some people
>> > think.. I'm sure everyone in the council gladly accepts all forms of
>> > input.. I know they are welcoming all the input they can get right
>> > now... There are aprox 300 people signed up to the ACLUG mailing list
>> > and there is no way all of those people attend meetings... and at
>> > meetings is where aclug business takes place, elections are held and
>> > debates take place.. the truth is that unless you go to the meeting you
>> > have little or no input on ACLUG business.. Many of the people who
>> > attend meetings stressed they wanted a place online where business can
>> > take place (hence the new mailing list)
>> 
>> This "new" list idea is inherently exclusionary and seems un-necessary.
>> 
>> Why have any list at all? Ryan seems to believe that the MEETINGS and only
>> the  MEETINGS are the valuable part of ACLUG.  It's where the business
>> gets done  right?  It the only forum for suggestions and the only channel
>> that will be  heeded and the only place for decisions to be proposed and
>> ratified.
>> 
>> > Major internal reorginsation of ACLUG is taking place right now and lots
>> > of things are likely to change in the coming months.. And its the people
>> > who take the time to attend meetings that the council wants the most
>> > input from.. Don't take it personal if you have never attended a meeting
>> > and you seem to get blown off, thruthfully if you don't attend a meeting
>> > you would be lucky to know 25% of what's going on in ACLUG..
>> 
>> I'm glad the group is focused on re-organizing and changing.  I'm sorry
>> that I  have to hold the conch at a meeting to have my opinions and
>> suggestions heard.
>> 
>> Does anyone from the high holy council accept the responsibility to inform
>> the  list members of what happened at the meetings?
>> 
>> If the meetings are the "thing" or the passkey to ACLUG membership, then
>> ACLUG  effectively and terminally limits its audience to FAR less than the
>> 300 current  subscribers to the various lists.  Which seems to me to be
>> the direct anthesis  of "spreading the linux gospel".
>> 
>> In a previous post, I made a suggestion that we be polite and respectful
>> of  others and their respective opinions and suggestions.
>> 
>> I'd like to re-iterate that suggestion.  But, I guess since this
>> suggestion  wasn't made in a MEETING, it won't be heard.
>> 
>> Matt Pankratz
>> 
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