[aclug-L] Re: [announce] Next meeting. (I am finally fed up.)

[Anne McCadden <amccadden@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree - don't give up on linux.  It gets easier to use linux as time
goes on.  Windoze is easy, but its expensive to be legal, and not always
very dependable.  I see so many computers that come into the shop that
have viruses and backdoors on them.  Linux isn't as vunerable as Windoze
is.  I have to wipe and reload my M$ machine about every 4-6 months
because the registry gets so corrupted.  My 5 linux machines run 24-7
and are so stable that I run the upgrade when the next release of Red
Hat comes out.  Just thought you might want another opinion for what its
worth.  ~Anne

jvanbeber wrote:
> 
> man, don't give up completely, I almost did. I still use windows myself,
> but I'm not giving up the linux box. Even though I don't know exactly
> what I'm doing, I learn something new every day. So don't just give it
> all up because of someone else's remarks or bcause it frustrates you. It
> isn't that hard!!!! I would gladly work with anyone to try to learn more
> or make the whole thing easier.
>                  James
> 
> Randi wrote:
> 
> >I am going back to M$ because there is not an easy way of learning Linux it
> >is not user friendly when I ask for help I get a MACHO type attitude answer
> >like I am suppose to know what I am doing. If I knew what I was doing I
> >would not have the question's to start with. If the Linux community wants
> >Linux to blossom they need to quit saying people are not man enough to work
> >on Linux and make it user friendly enough for the general public. IBM and
> >others are working with Linux to better the OS's chances but assholes that I
> >have found on these help groups drag Linux back down. At least with M$ a
> >person can get help without the attitude. I am even willing to pay for help
> >"real help" without the bad attitude.
> >
> >Randi
> >rsee@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From:  discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]  On
> >Behalf Of Anne McCadden
> >Sent:  Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:30 PM
> >To:    discussion@xxxxxxxxx
> >Subject:       [aclug-L] Re: [announce] Next meeting. (I am finally fed up.)
> >
> >
> >I don't like the idea of name tags, but if we have someone who is new to
> >the group, then I think that some of the group members should say
> >something in some kind of welcome.  When I was sort of new people kept
> >asking me if I was someone's mom or was I waiting for someone in the
> >group.  No I was there for myself, to learn about and talk about linux.
> >
> >I have volunteered to give presentations, but in the announcement it had
> >that someone else was giving the talk that night.  After spending a
> >couple of hours preparing my notes and printouts, I was ticked off that
> >I was passed over.  I have volunteered again to give the same
> >presentation and no one has taken me seriously.  So now I feel like you
> >don't really want any help and I decided to give up to help out.  Just
> >thought that you might want to know that I was going to give the talk
> >about AMD vs Intel hardware for linux.  I know a lot more about hardware
> >that I could ever think about web page design.  Just thought that other
> >people in the group might want to know.  People like me have offered to
> >help out and was ignored.
> >
> >Dale W Hodge wrote:
> >
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]On
> >>>Behalf Of David Wiebe
> >>>
> >>>I've been subscribed to this list for about a year and a half, have
> >>>
> >gotten
> >
> >>>fast, friendly tech support a couple of times, and have attended one
> >>>
> >ACLUG
> >
> >>>meeting.
> >>>
> >>>It appears like ACLUG is in the process of self-destructing.  This
> >>>
> >saddens
> >
> >>>me, but I can't say that I'm surprised.  Some observations:
> >>>
> >>>1) During the one meeting I did attend, no one spoke to me from the time
> >>>
> >I
> >
> >>>entered the door until I left.  No welcome.  No introductions.  No "What
> >>>brought you here?". Nothing.
> >>>
> >>This surprises me a bit. Usually, we are a fairly social group. You ask a
> >>question, and usually a number of the people in the room will have an
> >>
> >answer.
> >
> >>As for introductions, we have done that on occasion, but I always get the
> >>
> >"do I
> >
> >>have to?" look from people in the room.  If people want, we could do the
> >>
> >name
> >
> >>tag thing, it's just it had never been suggested.
> >>
> >>>2)The meeting was extremely frustrating to sit through. The meeting
> >>>
> >began
> >
> >>>with a business meeting / open-ended discussion.  Most of it centered on
> >>>inside information (and inside jokes) which since it was my first
> >>>
> >meeting I
> >
> >>>had no way of understanding or participating in.
> >>>
> >>Unfortunately, that (inside jokes) happens when a group has been together
> >>
> >for a
> >
> >>number of years.  It's been that way with every group I've ever
> >>
> >participated in.
> >
> >>There's a core group who is *always* there, so it's going to happen.  But
> >>
> >if
> >
> >>there is something you dont' understand, then speak up.  None of us are
> >>professional Teachers or Lecturers, so we don't always realize when we're
> >>
> >not
> >
> >>making things clear.
> >>
> >>>3) I came because I'd just started a project related to the announced
> >>>
> >topic.
> >
> >>>I reasonably expected to get some good tips on how to proceed and maybe
> >>>
> >some
> >
> >>>hands-on tutorials.  Instead I got about 15 minutes of reading (boring)
> >>>
> >from
> >
> >>>the introduction of a very large book, followed by an ill-prepared
> >>>
> >attempt to
> >
> >>>write a short script, which I later found out wouldn't have run in the
> >>>
> >first
> >
> >>>place.
> >>>
> >>Unfortunately, this is a volunteer organization, and not everyone who
> >>
> >gives a
> >
> >>lecture on a topic is a dynamic speaker.  Basically, we take what we can
> >>
> >get.
> >
> >>Sometimes it comes off well. Most of the time it's just okay, and a few
> >>
> >times it
> >
> >>has outright sucked.  About half the time, the person who's giving the
> >>
> >lecture
> >
> >>has just learned the topic himself. So, they don't know if
> >>
> >frontwards/backwards
> >
> >>and have to rely heavily on notes.  If you (or anyone, for that
> >>
> >matter)think you
> >
> >>can do it better, then volunteer to do so.
> >>
> >>>4)I've seen you folks a couple of times at Saturday Sale.  I'd have to
> >>>
> >say
> >
> >>>that was a friendlier atmosphere, but again, you really blew the
> >>>
> >opportunity
> >
> >>>to show-off Linux.  You could be demoing all the new whiz-bang stuff
> >>>
> >Linux is
> >
> >>>developing, instead it seems like you sit and bitch that you aren't
> >>>
> >"selling"
> >
> >>>enough CDs.
> >>>
> >>It's dang hard to really show off Linux at something like the Saturday
> >>
> >Sale.
> >
> >>Unless someone comes over and asks specific questions, you end up spending
> >>
> >6
> >
> >>hours trying to find something interesting to do. A lot of what Linux can
> >>
> >do
> >
> >>isn't that interesting to the casual observer.
> >>
> >>It's a *lot* of work. I have to get up early, spend half an hour packing,
> >>
> >drive
> >
> >>45 minutes, spend ~20 minutes setting up, sit there for 6 hours all the
> >>
> >while
> >
> >>hoping someone else will show so I can get some lunch and a bathroom
> >>
> >break,
> >
> >>spend 20 minutes packing up, and 45 minutes driving home. That's about 8
> >>
> >hours
> >
> >>out of Saturday. That doesn't include the time I spend downloading and
> >>
> >burning
> >
> >>the CD's that we sell, and the time it takes to print up any of the
> >>
> >hand-outs.
> >
> >>Now ask me again why we bitch about not selling enough CD's. ;-)
> >>
> >>--dwh
> >>
> >>---
> >>Dale W Hodge - dwh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Secretary & Website Maintainer - info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>Air Capital Linux User's Group  (ACLUG)
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