[aclug-L] Re: [announce] Next meeting. (I am finally fed up.)

[jvanbeber <jvanbeber@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

man, don't give up completely, I almost did. I still use windows myself, 
but I'm not giving up the linux box. Even though I don't know exactly 
what I'm doing, I learn something new every day. So don't just give it 
all up because of someone else's remarks or bcause it frustrates you. It 
isn't that hard!!!! I would gladly work with anyone to try to learn more 
or make the whole thing easier.
                 James

Randi wrote:

>I am going back to M$ because there is not an easy way of learning Linux it
>is not user friendly when I ask for help I get a MACHO type attitude answer
>like I am suppose to know what I am doing. If I knew what I was doing I
>would not have the question's to start with. If the Linux community wants
>Linux to blossom they need to quit saying people are not man enough to work
>on Linux and make it user friendly enough for the general public. IBM and
>others are working with Linux to better the OS's chances but assholes that I
>have found on these help groups drag Linux back down. At least with M$ a
>person can get help without the attitude. I am even willing to pay for help
>"real help" without the bad attitude.
>
>Randi
>rsee@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From:  discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]  On
>Behalf Of Anne McCadden
>Sent:  Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:30 PM
>To:    discussion@xxxxxxxxx
>Subject:       [aclug-L] Re: [announce] Next meeting. (I am finally fed up.)
>
>
>I don't like the idea of name tags, but if we have someone who is new to
>the group, then I think that some of the group members should say
>something in some kind of welcome.  When I was sort of new people kept
>asking me if I was someone's mom or was I waiting for someone in the
>group.  No I was there for myself, to learn about and talk about linux.
>
>I have volunteered to give presentations, but in the announcement it had
>that someone else was giving the talk that night.  After spending a
>couple of hours preparing my notes and printouts, I was ticked off that
>I was passed over.  I have volunteered again to give the same
>presentation and no one has taken me seriously.  So now I feel like you
>don't really want any help and I decided to give up to help out.  Just
>thought that you might want to know that I was going to give the talk
>about AMD vs Intel hardware for linux.  I know a lot more about hardware
>that I could ever think about web page design.  Just thought that other
>people in the group might want to know.  People like me have offered to
>help out and was ignored.
>
>Dale W Hodge wrote:
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]On
>>>Behalf Of David Wiebe
>>>
>>>I've been subscribed to this list for about a year and a half, have
>>>
>gotten
>
>>>fast, friendly tech support a couple of times, and have attended one
>>>
>ACLUG
>
>>>meeting.
>>>
>>>It appears like ACLUG is in the process of self-destructing.  This
>>>
>saddens
>
>>>me, but I can't say that I'm surprised.  Some observations:
>>>
>>>1) During the one meeting I did attend, no one spoke to me from the time
>>>
>I
>
>>>entered the door until I left.  No welcome.  No introductions.  No "What
>>>brought you here?". Nothing.
>>>
>>This surprises me a bit. Usually, we are a fairly social group. You ask a
>>question, and usually a number of the people in the room will have an
>>
>answer.
>
>>As for introductions, we have done that on occasion, but I always get the
>>
>"do I
>
>>have to?" look from people in the room.  If people want, we could do the
>>
>name
>
>>tag thing, it's just it had never been suggested.
>>
>>>2)The meeting was extremely frustrating to sit through. The meeting
>>>
>began
>
>>>with a business meeting / open-ended discussion.  Most of it centered on
>>>inside information (and inside jokes) which since it was my first
>>>
>meeting I
>
>>>had no way of understanding or participating in.
>>>
>>Unfortunately, that (inside jokes) happens when a group has been together
>>
>for a
>
>>number of years.  It's been that way with every group I've ever
>>
>participated in.
>
>>There's a core group who is *always* there, so it's going to happen.  But
>>
>if
>
>>there is something you dont' understand, then speak up.  None of us are
>>professional Teachers or Lecturers, so we don't always realize when we're
>>
>not
>
>>making things clear.
>>
>>>3) I came because I'd just started a project related to the announced
>>>
>topic.
>
>>>I reasonably expected to get some good tips on how to proceed and maybe
>>>
>some
>
>>>hands-on tutorials.  Instead I got about 15 minutes of reading (boring)
>>>
>from
>
>>>the introduction of a very large book, followed by an ill-prepared
>>>
>attempt to
>
>>>write a short script, which I later found out wouldn't have run in the
>>>
>first
>
>>>place.
>>>
>>Unfortunately, this is a volunteer organization, and not everyone who
>>
>gives a
>
>>lecture on a topic is a dynamic speaker.  Basically, we take what we can
>>
>get.
>
>>Sometimes it comes off well. Most of the time it's just okay, and a few
>>
>times it
>
>>has outright sucked.  About half the time, the person who's giving the
>>
>lecture
>
>>has just learned the topic himself. So, they don't know if
>>
>frontwards/backwards
>
>>and have to rely heavily on notes.  If you (or anyone, for that
>>
>matter)think you
>
>>can do it better, then volunteer to do so.
>>
>>>4)I've seen you folks a couple of times at Saturday Sale.  I'd have to
>>>
>say
>
>>>that was a friendlier atmosphere, but again, you really blew the
>>>
>opportunity
>
>>>to show-off Linux.  You could be demoing all the new whiz-bang stuff
>>>
>Linux is
>
>>>developing, instead it seems like you sit and bitch that you aren't
>>>
>"selling"
>
>>>enough CDs.
>>>
>>It's dang hard to really show off Linux at something like the Saturday
>>
>Sale.
>
>>Unless someone comes over and asks specific questions, you end up spending
>>
>6
>
>>hours trying to find something interesting to do. A lot of what Linux can
>>
>do
>
>>isn't that interesting to the casual observer.
>>
>>It's a *lot* of work. I have to get up early, spend half an hour packing,
>>
>drive
>
>>45 minutes, spend ~20 minutes setting up, sit there for 6 hours all the
>>
>while
>
>>hoping someone else will show so I can get some lunch and a bathroom
>>
>break,
>
>>spend 20 minutes packing up, and 45 minutes driving home. That's about 8
>>
>hours
>
>>out of Saturday. That doesn't include the time I spend downloading and
>>
>burning
>
>>the CD's that we sell, and the time it takes to print up any of the
>>
>hand-outs.
>
>>Now ask me again why we bitch about not selling enough CD's. ;-)
>>
>>--dwh
>>
>>---
>>Dale W Hodge - dwh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Secretary & Website Maintainer - info@xxxxxxxxx
>>Air Capital Linux User's Group  (ACLUG)
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