[aclug-L] Re: [announce] Next meeting. (I am finally fed up.)

["Randi" <rsee@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am going back to M$ because there is not an easy way of learning Linux it
is not user friendly when I ask for help I get a MACHO type attitude answer
like I am suppose to know what I am doing. If I knew what I was doing I
would not have the question's to start with. If the Linux community wants
Linux to blossom they need to quit saying people are not man enough to work
on Linux and make it user friendly enough for the general public. IBM and
others are working with Linux to better the OS's chances but assholes that I
have found on these help groups drag Linux back down. At least with M$ a
person can get help without the attitude. I am even willing to pay for help
"real help" without the bad attitude.

Randi
rsee@xxxxxxxxxxx


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Sent:   Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:30 PM
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Subject:        [aclug-L] Re: [announce] Next meeting. (I am finally fed up.)


I don't like the idea of name tags, but if we have someone who is new to
the group, then I think that some of the group members should say
something in some kind of welcome.  When I was sort of new people kept
asking me if I was someone's mom or was I waiting for someone in the
group.  No I was there for myself, to learn about and talk about linux.

I have volunteered to give presentations, but in the announcement it had
that someone else was giving the talk that night.  After spending a
couple of hours preparing my notes and printouts, I was ticked off that
I was passed over.  I have volunteered again to give the same
presentation and no one has taken me seriously.  So now I feel like you
don't really want any help and I decided to give up to help out.  Just
thought that you might want to know that I was going to give the talk
about AMD vs Intel hardware for linux.  I know a lot more about hardware
that I could ever think about web page design.  Just thought that other
people in the group might want to know.  People like me have offered to
help out and was ignored.

Dale W Hodge wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:discussion-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of David Wiebe
> >
> > I've been subscribed to this list for about a year and a half, have
gotten
> > fast, friendly tech support a couple of times, and have attended one
ACLUG
> > meeting.
> >
> > It appears like ACLUG is in the process of self-destructing.  This
saddens
> > me, but I can't say that I'm surprised.  Some observations:
> >
> > 1) During the one meeting I did attend, no one spoke to me from the time
I
> > entered the door until I left.  No welcome.  No introductions.  No "What
> > brought you here?". Nothing.
>
> This surprises me a bit. Usually, we are a fairly social group. You ask a
> question, and usually a number of the people in the room will have an
answer.
>
> As for introductions, we have done that on occasion, but I always get the
"do I
> have to?" look from people in the room.  If people want, we could do the
name
> tag thing, it's just it had never been suggested.
>
> > 2)The meeting was extremely frustrating to sit through. The meeting
began
> > with a business meeting / open-ended discussion.  Most of it centered on
> > inside information (and inside jokes) which since it was my first
meeting I
> > had no way of understanding or participating in.
>
> Unfortunately, that (inside jokes) happens when a group has been together
for a
> number of years.  It's been that way with every group I've ever
participated in.
> There's a core group who is *always* there, so it's going to happen.  But
if
> there is something you dont' understand, then speak up.  None of us are
> professional Teachers or Lecturers, so we don't always realize when we're
not
> making things clear.
>
> > 3) I came because I'd just started a project related to the announced
topic.
> > I reasonably expected to get some good tips on how to proceed and maybe
some
> > hands-on tutorials.  Instead I got about 15 minutes of reading (boring)
from
> > the introduction of a very large book, followed by an ill-prepared
attempt to
> > write a short script, which I later found out wouldn't have run in the
first
> > place.
>
> Unfortunately, this is a volunteer organization, and not everyone who
gives a
> lecture on a topic is a dynamic speaker.  Basically, we take what we can
get.
> Sometimes it comes off well. Most of the time it's just okay, and a few
times it
> has outright sucked.  About half the time, the person who's giving the
lecture
> has just learned the topic himself. So, they don't know if
frontwards/backwards
> and have to rely heavily on notes.  If you (or anyone, for that
matter)think you
> can do it better, then volunteer to do so.
>
> > 4)I've seen you folks a couple of times at Saturday Sale.  I'd have to
say
> > that was a friendlier atmosphere, but again, you really blew the
opportunity
> > to show-off Linux.  You could be demoing all the new whiz-bang stuff
Linux is
> > developing, instead it seems like you sit and bitch that you aren't
"selling"
> > enough CDs.
>
> It's dang hard to really show off Linux at something like the Saturday
Sale.
> Unless someone comes over and asks specific questions, you end up spending
6
> hours trying to find something interesting to do. A lot of what Linux can
do
> isn't that interesting to the casual observer.
>
> It's a *lot* of work. I have to get up early, spend half an hour packing,
drive
> 45 minutes, spend ~20 minutes setting up, sit there for 6 hours all the
while
> hoping someone else will show so I can get some lunch and a bathroom
break,
> spend 20 minutes packing up, and 45 minutes driving home. That's about 8
hours
> out of Saturday. That doesn't include the time I spend downloading and
burning
> the CD's that we sell, and the time it takes to print up any of the
hand-outs.
> Now ask me again why we bitch about not selling enough CD's. ;-)
>
> --dwh
>
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