[gopher] Re: Gopher server on shared host

[Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
> Oh, I think a few gigs (5 GB) are fine for me. It doesn't have to be huge.
> So yea, recommend me a few, bu I do have a shoe string budget, I want it as
> cheap as possible. I do have a domain name for my blog (www.mjnblog.com) but
> it is being used... (duh). Thanks!
> :D
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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>> Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
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>>> Actually, I was looking more along the lines of actually which servie I
>>> should go to for a good gopher server... and help on setup. :P
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>       
>> wrote:
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>>>       
>>>> Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
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>>>>> Hey I could use some advice here.
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> John Harris Stevenson wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> This has been an interesting thread.
>>>>>>> DreamHost has just begun to offer a virtual host to complement their
>>>>>>> existing shared hosting, which I have been using for several years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> When
>>>>
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>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> asked about running a gopher server the support staff there
>>>>>>>               
>> suggested
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>>>> I
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>>>>>> try
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> the virtual server, but I think without root I'm not likely to be
>>>>>>> successful. I do have a unique IP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to try with PyGopherd, though it will be difficult to test
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> without
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> the port binding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Any recommendations for a Gopher server to run in a shared Linux
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>>>>>>>> hosting
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>>>>>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>>>>> We're on DreamHost PS (http://www.dreamhostps.com/), so can run
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>>>>>>>> processes,
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> but do not have root access. I've looked at some of the gopher
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>>>>>> servers
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>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> offer and a recommendation would be helpful. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> The primary problem you will have is running a process on port 70.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> If
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>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> package allows you to bind port numbers that low through some sort
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> of
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>>>>>>>>> trusted method, and you have your own IP, there should be no
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> problem.
>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> If you cannot bind port 70, you can still run a server on a high
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> port
>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> number such as 7070. How you would do this depends on the server
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>> package
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>> you use. The primary issue there is that Mozilla is hardcoded to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>> only
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>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> port 70, part of the thing that OverbiteFF seeks to change
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> (speaking
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>>>>>> of
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>>>>>>>>> which, there will be a new OverbiteFF release later tonight --
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> more
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> shortly).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find it odd that you do not have root access on a shared host.  I
>>>>>>>> currently run two separate VPS servers that are remotely hosted via
>>>>>>>>
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>>>> Xen
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>>>>>>>> that both allow full root access and all major ports and the
>>>>>>>>                 
>> ability
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>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> multiple ip's for an extra dollar per month.  I use VPS Land and
>>>>>>>>                 
>> NDC
>>     
>>>>>>>> Host both allowing full control over your VPS.  The prices are
>>>>>>>> reasonable I actually prefer NDC host over VPS Land but I required
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>> two
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>>>> separate servers for Python network development that would allow
>>>>>>>>                 
>> for
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>>>>>>>> rapid data transmission between the two servers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> You would get root along with Cpanel and probably Virtuoso (with a
>>>>>> little extra fee) with a VPS as opposed to shared web hosting.  I do
>>>>>>
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>>>> not
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>>>>>> know of a provider that does not support it.  If you need any help
>>>>>>             
>> with
>>     
>>>>>> set up give me a hollar I've done dozens of these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Do they offer both Linux and Windows VPS hosting?  I would highly
>>>> recommend that if they offer a Linux hosting look at the distro's they
>>>> have available and look into what control panels they offer for
>>>> starters.  Unless that was not the help you were looking for :)
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> How many gigs of storage do you estimate you will need for all of your
>> files and if you are going to have a website in addition running on the
>> same server how much do you think you will store on there.  Also how
>> much are you willing to spend per month for the service?  I can
>> recommend several but some differ in the cost to storage and bandwidth
>> requirements.  Once we get you set up with a host I can probably find
>> some time to help you get the bits and pieces together of Linux hosting
>> by tunneling in.  All of the major hosts offer Ubuntu server which I
>> would highly recommend for the new to Linux users as it has a semi
>> graphical interface for installing and removing packages using
>> "aptitude" or the simple command line "apt-get" as it is Debian based.
>>
>> Sorry for the slow replies I am doing a hard drive recovery on my Mom's
>> HD using Samba service since none of my PC's or servers run Windows :(
>>
>> But I am on long term disability at the moment from my job due to a
>> chronic illness so I can help you get set up in between some other
>> projects I have going on and can point you in the direction of some
>> great *Nix primers.
>>
>> Do you already own a domain name?  If not you can get you one or I have
>> several that are not in use with some registrar time remaining.
>>
>> Brandon
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I wish there were more users out there who wanting to run their own 
gopher servers as just my personal array consists of 3 Sun SparcServers 
an AS400 and a 5 TB RAID and a 2 mb connection.  I could easily script 
an easy to use web interface for the hosting and charge very little or 
go the Gopher Organization  throw it under a 503(c) user contributed 
route and get a dedicated hosting solution and use Xen to divvy it up 
into smaller bits with custom control panel but while I am on long term 
disability I am on 60% of my salary from the company I work for so I 
can't bare the cost without knowing I would have enough users willing to 
kick into the bucket.

Brandon