[gopher] Re: Gopher server on shared host

[Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
> Actually, I was looking more along the lines of actually which servie I
> should go to for a good gopher server... and help on setup. :P
> Matt
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
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>>> Hey I could use some advice here.
>>> Matt
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>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> wrote:
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>>>> John Harris Stevenson wrote:
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>>>>> This has been an interesting thread.
>>>>> DreamHost has just begun to offer a virtual host to complement their
>>>>> existing shared hosting, which I have been using for several years.
>>>>>           
>> When
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>>>> I
>>>>
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>>>>> asked about running a gopher server the support staff there suggested
>>>>>           
>> I
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>>>> try
>>>>
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>>>>> the virtual server, but I think without root I'm not likely to be
>>>>> successful. I do have a unique IP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to try with PyGopherd, though it will be difficult to test
>>>>>
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>>>> without
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>>>>> the port binding.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
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>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Any recommendations for a Gopher server to run in a shared Linux
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> hosting
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>>>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>>> We're on DreamHost PS (http://www.dreamhostps.com/), so can run
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>>>>>> processes,
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>>>>>>>> but do not have root access. I've looked at some of the gopher
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>>>> servers
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>>>>>> on
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>>>>>>>> offer and a recommendation would be helpful. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> The primary problem you will have is running a process on port 70.
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>> If
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>>>>>> your
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>>>>>>> package allows you to bind port numbers that low through some sort
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>> of
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>>>>>>> trusted method, and you have your own IP, there should be no
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>> problem.
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>>>>>>> If you cannot bind port 70, you can still run a server on a high
>>>>>>>               
>> port
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>>>>>>> number such as 7070. How you would do this depends on the server
>>>>>>>
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>>>> package
>>>>
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>>>>>>> you use. The primary issue there is that Mozilla is hardcoded to
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>> only
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>>>>>> use
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>>>>>>> port 70, part of the thing that OverbiteFF seeks to change (speaking
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>>>> of
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>>>>>>> which, there will be a new OverbiteFF release later tonight -- more
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>>>>>> shortly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it odd that you do not have root access on a shared host.  I
>>>>>> currently run two separate VPS servers that are remotely hosted via
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>> Xen
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>>>>>> that both allow full root access and all major ports and the ability
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>>>> for
>>>>
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>>>>>> multiple ip's for an extra dollar per month.  I use VPS Land and NDC
>>>>>> Host both allowing full control over your VPS.  The prices are
>>>>>> reasonable I actually prefer NDC host over VPS Land but I required
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>> two
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>>>>>> separate servers for Python network development that would allow for
>>>>>> rapid data transmission between the two servers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon
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>>>> You would get root along with Cpanel and probably Virtuoso (with a
>>>> little extra fee) with a VPS as opposed to shared web hosting.  I do
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>> not
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>>>> know of a provider that does not support it.  If you need any help with
>>>> set up give me a hollar I've done dozens of these.
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Do they offer both Linux and Windows VPS hosting?  I would highly
>> recommend that if they offer a Linux hosting look at the distro's they
>> have available and look into what control panels they offer for
>> starters.  Unless that was not the help you were looking for :)
>>
>> Brandon
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How many gigs of storage do you estimate you will need for all of your 
files and if you are going to have a website in addition running on the 
same server how much do you think you will store on there.  Also how 
much are you willing to spend per month for the service?  I can 
recommend several but some differ in the cost to storage and bandwidth 
requirements.  Once we get you set up with a host I can probably find 
some time to help you get the bits and pieces together of Linux hosting 
by tunneling in.  All of the major hosts offer Ubuntu server which I 
would highly recommend for the new to Linux users as it has a semi 
graphical interface for installing and removing packages using 
"aptitude" or the simple command line "apt-get" as it is Debian based.

Sorry for the slow replies I am doing a hard drive recovery on my Mom's 
HD using Samba service since none of my PC's or servers run Windows :(

But I am on long term disability at the moment from my job due to a 
chronic illness so I can help you get set up in between some other 
projects I have going on and can point you in the direction of some 
great *Nix primers.

Do you already own a domain name?  If not you can get you one or I have 
several that are not in use with some registrar time remaining.

Brandon