[gopher] Re: Gopher server on shared host

[Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>]

Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
> Oh, I think a few gigs (5 GB) are fine for me. It doesn't have to be huge.
> So yea, recommend me a few, bu I do have a shoe string budget, I want it as
> cheap as possible. I do have a domain name for my blog (www.mjnblog.com) but
> it is being used... (duh). Thanks!
> :D
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
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>>> Actually, I was looking more along the lines of actually which servie I
>>> should go to for a good gopher server... and help on setup. :P
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> wrote:
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>>>> Matthew Nawrocki wrote:
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>>>>> Hey I could use some advice here.
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
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>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> John Harris Stevenson wrote:
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>>>>>>> This has been an interesting thread.
>>>>>>> DreamHost has just begun to offer a virtual host to complement their
>>>>>>> existing shared hosting, which I have been using for several years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>> When
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>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> asked about running a gopher server the support staff there
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>> suggested
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>>>> I
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>>>>>> try
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> the virtual server, but I think without root I'm not likely to be
>>>>>>> successful. I do have a unique IP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to try with PyGopherd, though it will be difficult to test
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> without
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>>>>>>> the port binding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Brandon Poder <xythonix@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Any recommendations for a Gopher server to run in a shared Linux
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>>>>>>>> hosting
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>>>>>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>>>>> We're on DreamHost PS (http://www.dreamhostps.com/), so can run
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>>>>>>>> processes,
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> but do not have root access. I've looked at some of the gopher
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>>>>>> servers
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>>>>>>>> on
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>>>>>>>>>> offer and a recommendation would be helpful. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> The primary problem you will have is running a process on port 70.
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> If
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>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> package allows you to bind port numbers that low through some sort
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> of
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>>>>>>>>> trusted method, and you have your own IP, there should be no
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>>>> problem.
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>>>>>>>>> If you cannot bind port 70, you can still run a server on a high
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> port
>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> number such as 7070. How you would do this depends on the server
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>> package
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>> you use. The primary issue there is that Mozilla is hardcoded to
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> only
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>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> port 70, part of the thing that OverbiteFF seeks to change
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> (speaking
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>>>>>> of
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>>>>>>>>> which, there will be a new OverbiteFF release later tonight --
>>>>>>>>>                   
>> more
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>>>>>>>> shortly).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find it odd that you do not have root access on a shared host.  I
>>>>>>>> currently run two separate VPS servers that are remotely hosted via
>>>>>>>>
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>>>> Xen
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>>>>>>>> that both allow full root access and all major ports and the
>>>>>>>>                 
>> ability
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>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>> for
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>>>>>>>> multiple ip's for an extra dollar per month.  I use VPS Land and
>>>>>>>>                 
>> NDC
>>     
>>>>>>>> Host both allowing full control over your VPS.  The prices are
>>>>>>>> reasonable I actually prefer NDC host over VPS Land but I required
>>>>>>>>
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>>>> two
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>>>>>>>> separate servers for Python network development that would allow
>>>>>>>>                 
>> for
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>>>>>>>> rapid data transmission between the two servers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> You would get root along with Cpanel and probably Virtuoso (with a
>>>>>> little extra fee) with a VPS as opposed to shared web hosting.  I do
>>>>>>
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>>>> not
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>>>>>> know of a provider that does not support it.  If you need any help
>>>>>>             
>> with
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>>>>>> set up give me a hollar I've done dozens of these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon
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>>>>>
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>>>> Do they offer both Linux and Windows VPS hosting?  I would highly
>>>> recommend that if they offer a Linux hosting look at the distro's they
>>>> have available and look into what control panels they offer for
>>>> starters.  Unless that was not the help you were looking for :)
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
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>> How many gigs of storage do you estimate you will need for all of your
>> files and if you are going to have a website in addition running on the
>> same server how much do you think you will store on there.  Also how
>> much are you willing to spend per month for the service?  I can
>> recommend several but some differ in the cost to storage and bandwidth
>> requirements.  Once we get you set up with a host I can probably find
>> some time to help you get the bits and pieces together of Linux hosting
>> by tunneling in.  All of the major hosts offer Ubuntu server which I
>> would highly recommend for the new to Linux users as it has a semi
>> graphical interface for installing and removing packages using
>> "aptitude" or the simple command line "apt-get" as it is Debian based.
>>
>> Sorry for the slow replies I am doing a hard drive recovery on my Mom's
>> HD using Samba service since none of my PC's or servers run Windows :(
>>
>> But I am on long term disability at the moment from my job due to a
>> chronic illness so I can help you get set up in between some other
>> projects I have going on and can point you in the direction of some
>> great *Nix primers.
>>
>> Do you already own a domain name?  If not you can get you one or I have
>> several that are not in use with some registrar time remaining.
>>
>> Brandon
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Well there are two I would recommend either NDC Host which will give you 
20 gigs and about 11 Linux distro choices for about $19 per month but 
due have extra fee's for Cpanel and Virtuoso but have an excellent 
custom control panel that once you get the hang of is very functional.  
Despite what you may have heard VPS Land is an excellent budget host at 
6 gigs with a free 50% ram upgrade special going on that would put you 
at $14 and change per month but they have a few less distro's but 
excellent support and free Cpanel to control your VPS (reboots, Domain 
binding, etc....)  But in any event you are going to have to get your 
hands dirty and make Putty your new best friend to access the command 
line console.  They also offer Window (yucky) hosting for a little 
higher price but am unfamiliar with those plans.  There are a few other 
hosts out there but your hard pressed to find anything decent for under 
$15 a month.

Oh, and both have free set up fee's which is good to look at if you are 
googling alternative hosts other than the above mentioned..

I have ICQ, Google Talk, AIM, and Yahoo, all running on Pigeon (formerly 
Gaim) so if you need some one on one advice I should be around.  Let me 
know if you need one of those SN's.....