[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Cheating

[Rafal Bursig <bursig@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dnia 2003.04.25 11:03, Christian Knoke napisał(a):
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 04:02:49AM +0100, Vasco Alexandre Da Silva
> Costa wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Christian Knoke wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 09:48:17PM +0200, Raimar Falke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This link (http://catb.org/~esr/writings/quake-cheats.html) was
> posted
> > > > to linux-kernel and is a bit related to freeciv.
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Carmack observes that "the [cheating] clients/proxies focus on two
> main
> > > areas -- giving the player more information than they should have,
> and
> > > performing actions more skillfully."
> > > ----
> > >
> > > Freeciv isn't Quake. I think it is not to hard to fix the main
> information
> > > leak (we could invent an "indifferent" tile which is assumed to be
> next to a
> > > known tile near the border to the unknown, and correct the drawing
> once it
> > > gets known). As to move bots, we could have an intelligent move
> model, which
> > > is subtle enough to not effect the usability too much, and
> guarantees that
> > > fighting does not become unfair - without blocking bots of course,
> we need
> > > them for CSAI. Some ideas of such models have been on the list
> recently. I
> > > would be happy if we get this.
> >
> > Jeez is it that much of a big deal to be able to see one tile extra?
> You
> > could already do that in Civ1 for example. It is no big deal if
> anyone can
> > use this information. In that case it is not unfair.
>
> Well, if it was like this ... If you reveal this information, by
> drawing the
> tiles, you have the same drawing problem: how to draw the tile
> "bindings"
> (can you say so?). So, why not solve the problem at the root, and
> change the
> drawing a little bit? On the other hand, if you reveal the tiles,
> exploring
> (it's fun!) will change a lot, because the number of tiles we talk
> about
> isn't small. For me, it doesn't make sense.
>
> I suppose, the tile information is only needed for drawing, currently.
> Or
> are there other uses I'm not aware of?
>
> > What would be unfair was something like we once had: submarine
> position
> > info being always sent regardless of visibility. Especially when we
> didn't
> > even have fog-of-war and stealth had much more significance.
>
> Yes, we have made progress in this respect.
about cheating... client has access to tile units stack.
I don't know if this is correct functionality (IMHO not) but you can 
see all enemy units in this tile (client block this info).
Server should check if units in tile belong to player or allied player 
and if true then send all "stack" info but if not then send only first 
units info.
Rafal

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