[aclug-L] Re: Richard Reid

["Larry Bottorff" <prenzl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: "Michael Moore" <mrmoore@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 11:27 PM
Subject: [aclug-L] Re: Richard Reid


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> Lars von dem Ast wrote:
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> >After reading this for a while, I thought I'd attempt to say something.
> >
> >My sister married an Iranian back in the early '80s. I got to know
> >Mohammed very well over the next 13 years. (They later divorced.) He was
> >a Shiite Fundamentalist Khomeni supporter--the full 9-yards. We talked
> >and talked over that space of time. What he said, coupled with my own 7
> >years experiences in Europe and my military intelligence experiences
> >(ASA), gave me a very complete but uncomfortable picture of my homeland.
> >
> >Make no mistake about it, we, the U.S. of A, are running an empire. And
> >in case you slept through your history lessons, empires rise, dominate,
> >then fall due to a build-up of fanatical hatred of them, exhausted,
> >sucked-dry clients, and internal decay and collapse. The Roman empire
> >fell hard. So will we probably--not like the 19th century European
> >empires who snuck out the back doors and went home. And many, many
> >millions will celebrate. You can tell yourself pretty lies like "You
> >hate our freedom" when describing our enemies, but at some point our
> >domination will end just like all fat, greasy, obnoxious empires end.
> >We're now somewhere between Jim Jones and Captain Ahab.
> >
> >
>
> Will the USA as we know it come to an end?  Perhaps.  But, comparing us
> to the Roman Empire is very insulting.  Maybe, you should go back an
> read your history books.  Last time I checked our Presidents don't come
> to power by killing the previous President.
>
> I don't think people of other Nations hate our freedom.  In fact, I
> think lots of times we are hated just becuase of our success.
>
> There's no doubt that if a group or a country is successful for a long
> period of time other people get jealous and over time people want them
> to loose so they can have a chance to be on top.
>
> How about a typical American Sports Reference:
> For example; Look at the NBA team the Boston Celtics:  They won
> championships 11 years in a row.  The majority of the country got tired
> of them winning all the championships becuase they wanted their team to
> be #1.  So, a lot of people really started hating the Celtics.  But,
> know body started killing them.
>
> >What! You may scream. The U.S. is a mean old empire just like Rome? Oh
> >yes! Sure, I would also call the terrorists just a bunch of lunatics.
> >But I guarantee you there are many millions of young men throughout the
> >world who envy the "heroics" of those terrorists. The actual terrorists
> >are just the tip of a huge pyramid of anti-American sentiment. That's
> >why this is so significant. The fact that you only see radical Muslims
> >attacking us is that only the wildest hatred spills over into such
> >action, while the vast sea of hatred towards us isn't translated into
> >such actions, and the cooler, more rational heads who would make good
> >dialog with us are pushed aside, unheard. This only fuels the fire....
> >
> >The vast majority of anti-Americanism I have encountered in my life
> >abroad came from decent, level-headed sincere people. Most of these
> >people understood that a certain amount of "pushiness" on our part
> >simply comes with the superpower territory. The world by and large has
> >been very tolerant of us.
> >
>
> Tolerant of Us!!!  Yes, I agree we are the enemy.... NOT.  You make it
> sound like we are not just an Empire (as you put it); but, and Evil
> Empire and we must be destroyed.  The more I read what you have written
> the more I think it was written by Susan Sarandon.
>
> >But we're a machine. We're a mindless growth
> >machine
> >
>
> A mindless growth machine......Obviously, you are speaking about
> yourself.  You don't represent me.
>
> > pushing our global economic agenda to every corner of the world,
> >always trying to dress it up as "aid" or "development" or "stability" or
> >"progress". And now we've got enemies like you've never heard of before.
> >Just like Rome. Of course a Frenchman turning up his nose at an American
> >tourist putting ketchup on an omlette is different from a terrorist, but
> >there is a huge sea of negativity towards us--and now it's coming at us.
> >
>
> I know you have sincere concern  about how we are viewed.  But, how
> would you change it.  After all, know matter what we do we are going to
> be hated for it.  You said, we are a mindless growth machine.
>
> >
> >Once my brother-in-law was confronted by some typical American who
> >shouted at him, "Why you hate us? Why you call us 'the Great Satan.?"
> >Mohammed said God works through the spirit and Satan through the
> >material. So what place on earth is the most materialistic? What place
> >pushes materialism on the rest of the world?
> >
> >
>
> We don't push materialism.......we push freedom.  I would be interested
> to know of just (1) US American who ever said we are triing to help
> liberate a people in the name of Materialism.  By the way,  you don't
> have to be materialistic........In the name of freedom you have the
> choice not to be materialistic.  If you want to make all these people
> with this twisted view of Americans happy, then destroy all of your
> possessions (including your computer) and wonder the streets.  Also, the
> rest of the USA is not going to do that either.
>
> Okay, so you don't want to make them that happy.  So, how do you solve
> this problem.  Well, what many Democrats want to do is sit back and do
> nothing.  Let these terrorist come and destroy us and then the world
> will be happy.
>
> >When the 9/11 attack happened there was a very big soccer match just
> >beginning in Iran, their version of the Super Bowl. At the Teheran
> >stadium they asked for a minute of silence in the memory of the WTC
> >victims, likewise, on the TV broadcast of the game. Dead silence. Do you
> >think some tragedy in Iran would have had our Super Bowl audience silent
> >for 60 seconds? What would those slobs have done but cheered for dead
> >Iranians? For a brief moment, even those who hated us the most
> >sympathized with us.
> >
>
> You have got to be joking?  I don't know what kind of sick people you
> hang out with; but, if they would cheer for dead Iranians you should
> pick new friends.  There are Iranian terrorist camps and there are some
> terrorist coming out of Iran.  If one of those people gets killed before
> he can complete a successful terrorist attack, then no I am not going to
> have a moment of silence for that dead terrorist.
>
> On the other hand, if the Iran govt uses some of their terrorist or
> military to kill some of their population that is triing to establish a
> Democracy movement then you bet a moment of silence is in order.  I
> don't know what your ex-brother-In-Law has told you recently; but, there
> is a large portion of the Iranian people that are friendly toward the
> USA.  There is a younger generation movement in Iran that wants freedom
> and anytime things look like they might progress the Iranian govt slaps
> it down.
>
> I must admit: that Bush's reference to Iran in his State Of The Union
> Speech in 2002 was not wise.  He should have made a distinction between
> certain Iranian factions and the Iranian people themselves.
>
> > For once, I totally agree with the Mennonites peace
> >and reconcilliation approach. Can you imagine where we'd be today had
> >Bush taken the Mennonite approach? The world's collective jaw would have
> >dropped and a great reconcilliation would have begun. But I know very
> >well why he didn't. Because the world would TELL us what they didn't
> >like about us. Bush and his handlers know already and don't want to
> >hear. That's why we follow the insanity of total revenge.
> >
> >Mark my words, Bush is taking us down the road to ruin.
> >
>
> Well, this is where you have shown your true colors.  Like the rest of
> the Left-Wing Liberal Democrats your hatred for Bush is clouding your
> judgement.  Get over it, Al lost.
>
> Frankly, I am insulted by all this policatical rediric you spout.  You
> would rather sit back, do nothing and put all our lives in jeopardy.
>
> I am really becoming amazed to see how many liberals there are in this
> club.  Am I the only conservative in this group?
>
> >Historically we
> >can be compared to Rome right about when they sacked Jerusalem ca. 60
> >AD. i.e., big and powerful...and beginning to have to use that power
> >more and more. We're on our way out with Bush....
> >
> >Beating up pathetic wannabes like this Reid character might feel good,
> >but the huge sea of anti-Americanism out there won't go away just
> >because we do self-righteous "feel-good" Perry Mason theater and lock
> >him up forever.
> >
>
> Do me a favor and send your email to the people on that flight.  I have
> a feeling their response would be a lot harser than mine.
> By the way, Reid was not a pathetic wannabe.  He was in the process of
> lighting the fuse to the explosives in his shoe when he was taken down.
>
> Democrats new moto "Have you hugged a terrorist today?"
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> >One parting thought: Let's look at 1930's Germany. The Germans were
> >blustery and jingoistic and nationalistic and talked about how wounded
> >they were and how they weren't gunna take it anymore and had a big
> >military and a loud-talking leader--lots of anxieties fueled even more
> >by a weak economy. Sound familiar?
> >
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> Simply Amazing.  Comparing the USA to Natiz Germany.  And comparing Bush
> to Hitler.
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> Are you sure you posed this to the right place?  I think you are looking
> for the anti-american news-group.
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> >Lb
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