[Freeciv-Dev] Re: (PR#13805) Patch: Suggested change of default ruler titles

["Peter Schaefer" <peter.schaefer@xxxxxxxxx>]

<URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=13805 >

Well how about just allowing players to select the title, for example
by using different names for different civs, if that is possible?

It might also make sense to somehow include the year or the number of
cities in the calculation.

This whole discussion somehow does lead nowhere, since obviously if
the government is despotism, the ruler is a despot. Maybe this
discussion would make sense if people designed new goverments along
with the ruler titles.

Now, I hit wikipedia both for tyrant and despot, and before modern
times it made fully sense to refer to a ruler of a city who had
overthrown the previous government(usually a "small" king), as a
tyrant and not to negatively.

In contrast, "Despot was an Imperial title, first used under Manuel I
Komnenos", and it is a title which would appropriately designate a
leader of the rest of a former empire.

Maybe one would need to hit back to even earlier ages to find some
ruler title who was not a king. Chieftain actually is pretty good.

On 10/5/05, Christian Knoke <chrisk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> <URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=13805 >
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> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 06:30:44PM -0700, Daniel Markstedt wrote:
> > On 2005-10-04, at 22.14, Vasco Alexandre da Silva Costa wrote:
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> > > How about Citizen? In the French Revolution titles were abolished
> > > and everyone was refered to as "Citizen Something".
> > >
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> > I suggested Citizen earlier in this ticket, but Per rejected the idea.
> > General is supposed to represent the leader of a junta in between of
> > two governments. Both Citizen and General is in any case better than
> > Mr./Ms., I think.
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> Citizen sounds ok.
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> > On 2005-10-04, at 22.05, miguel@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tyrant in Despotism is ok for me.
> > >
> > > I beg to differ - the word "tyrant" has too much of a negative sense
> > > associated to it. Most of the time, despotism will be the government any
> > > given nation will have at the beginning of the game, and its head not
> > > necessarily with be {evil,cruel,ruthless,etc.}.
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> ACK.
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> > > I'd go with "despot" (if there were an adequate for translation for
> > > spanish "caudillo", that would be better, though).
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> > You're right in that Despot is a more neutral word than Tyrant.
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> Despot is ok.
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> > However, in fact I'd like a more "primitive" title like Chieftain or
> > similar.. That wouldn't go too well with all nations though.
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> Chieftain is even better..
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> This fits quite good for the early german tribes, I think.
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> So far my choices.
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> > Daniel
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> Christian
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