[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Creating dead player after the game has started.

[Raimar Falke <rf13@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 04:18:55PM +0200, Thomas Strub wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 06:17:41AM -0700, Raimar Falke wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:01:58PM +0200, Reinier Post wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 05:40:22PM -0500, Mike Kaufman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 11:36:43PM +0200, Thomas Strub wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > this is really a kludge.
> > > 
> > > I think it's an excellent kludge: small, clean, fully functional,
> > > an improvement in every way.  Worth including.
> > 
> > But it still is a kludge. And while we may apply kludges before a
> > release ;) normally we don't.
> 
> Think for me as player its enough that is included for metaserver. I
> think that a fully featured, good solution is better. But i don't like
> to wait to long. 
>  
> > > For reference, this patch is under PR#1767.
> > > 
> > > I still have to try it (sorry).  What I find really confusing is
> > > the term "observer".  This can be used to mean two things:
> > > 
> > >   - a player observer: someone who can see a player does, but cannot
> > >     do anything; this is what dwp's multiple connections allow
> > >   - a game observer: someone who can see (most of) what happens in the
> > >     game, but is not a player and cannot do anything; this has always been
> > >     the position of a dead player in Freeciv
> > 
> > Traditionally "observer" means the first. But I agree that we also
> > need the second. It would be some kind of root observer: can look into
> > any city, report and so on for every player. A huge kind of
> > information. To break this into smaller pieces we _may_ want to model
> > this with a two dimensional matrix: first dimension are the players
> > which I can observe, second is the kind of thing I can observe (map,
> > cities, research, ...).
> 
> Think that should be done post-release. So why shouldn't we use the
> kludge until the good solution is ready? (Ok there is no translation ...)

I don't see a problem if Reinier uses your patch on
civserver.freeciv.org servers.

        Raimar

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