[Freeciv-Dev] Re: historical background on nations/leaders Was: histori
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 09:29:43AM +0200, Jerzy Klek wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
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> > Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 10:08:50AM +0200, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
> > > > Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> > > > > Please, no.
> > > > > National histories are all lies, damn lies and propaganda. :-(
> > > >
> > > > I believe, if we are careful texts written for FreeCiv could
> > > > be relatively truth: Since we live in different countries we are
> > > > hopefully not infected completely by the same propaganda...
> > >
> > > How many non-Estonians wrote History of Estonia ?
> >
> > My (very little) knowledge of Estonian history lets
> > me ask the question completely the opposite way:
> > "How many *Estonians* wrote History of Estonia?" ;-)
> > I know Estonia mostly as member of the Hanseatic
> > League were it was not lead by Estonians...
> > And in the later time this young nation was occupied
> > most of the time - I think.
> >
> > Any Estonians or history gurus on the list, who
> > can correct me?
>
> Not Estonian, neither history guru but: Estonians are closely
> related to Finnish and have been living in Estonia for a few
> thousand years (of course not being really Estonians, just a
> Ugro-Finnish folk). In 13th century it was conquered by Teutonic
> Knights. By end of 16th century it was taken over by Sweden that
> has later grown into a regional power (with a short spell of Polish
> rule in southern part of Estonia - btw dispute over Estonia was
> one of the reasons for some polish-swedish wars). In 18th it was
> Russia turn to rule Estonia. In the end Estonia has gained its
> independence after the end of 1st world war (1918). The independence
> was lost in 1940 when Soviets entered Estonia knowing that noone will
> protest when 2nd World War is being fought. This Soviet rule was
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the worst of all foreign rules making a lot of Estonians being
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> deported to Siberia along with attempts to make them russian.
> after the collapse of Soviet Union in 1991 Estonians have regained
> their independance.
Not sure.
CHANGE IN ESTONIAN POPULATION DUE TO WARS
1558 250 000
Livonian War
1640 70 000
1690 350 000
Great Northern War
1712 170 000
1934 1 061 300
World War II
1945 845 000
( from EXPO brochure "A dozen questions about Estonia",
Hannover or http://www.expo2000.ee/ )
> As for the rest of your post, one can see that history is a sensitive
> issue so it will require a good deal diplomacy to write something that
> satisfy everybody :-) But it is really nice to see that people are
> interested in it.
Wait until we'll be writing Chinese or French history :-)
This will be a lot of fun.
> Provided that someone do the framework, I am willing to fill some entries
> about history of some nations.
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- [Freeciv-Dev] Re: historical background on nations/leaders Was: historical background on wonders, Tomasz Wegrzanowski, 2000/07/11
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- [Freeciv-Dev] Re: historical background on nations/leaders Was: historical background on wonders, Jerzy Klek, 2000/07/12
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