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To: Yeupou !! <yeupou@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: freeciv-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Freeciv-Dev] Re: suggestion / idea
From: Greg Wooledge <wooledge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:26:27 -0500

Yeupou !! (yeupou@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

> ship can conquer a city !

A ship can destroy the units in a city, but it cannot decrease the city's
population or actually occupy (capture/conquer) an enemy city.  For that
you need a land unit (or Helicopter).

> so, the game is pretty umbalanced, cos' the ship are now so powerfull units :
> strong, hard to kill ... 

The CVS version of Freeciv has one change in this regard: ships now
follow the Civ2 rule of losing movement points when they take damage
during a battle.  This makes them slightly less powerful -- but you're
right, they are still formidable.

> this is so easy to kill someone who havent got warships with few ironclad..

... until your opponent builds Coastal Defenses.  Or Alpine Troops.

> warships are in all case better than terran troops, so why making terran 
> troops
> if warships can do the better so easily.. or should we never build a city on a
> river... 

Only land units can capture cities... ships can only empty them.  As far
as the river goes... I think you meant coast (as in, adjacent to the
Ocean).  Ships can't move along rivers in any version of Civ I've played.

> the second one is i'm only a newbie programmer, so i cant fix that problem
> myself ...

It's not a programmatic issue.  It's a question of the balance of the
units, which is mostly just numbers in a text file (units.ruleset).

Has anyone tried playing a game with the Ironclad scaled down --
say, with 20 hitpoints instead of 30?  I'm not necessarily advocating
making this change in Freeciv (I think we need to work on greater Civ2
compatibility, not divergence, right now) -- but I'd love to know how
this change (or a similar one) affects game balance.

Maybe I'll try it myself if I find the time.

Oh, and please try the CVS version if you haven't yet.  The decreased
movement points for wounded ships might make enough difference all
by itself.

-- 
Greg Wooledge                    | "Truth belongs to everybody."
wooledge@xxxxxxxxxxx             |   Red Hot Chili Peppers
http://www.kellnet.com/wooledge/ |

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