[Freeciv-Dev] Re: (PR#3735) Zulu (Shaka) gets a free capital when Catalan (Jefe) conquers its capital

["ChrisK@xxxxxxxx" <ChrisK@xxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:28:06AM -0800, Thomas Strub wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:16:29AM -0800, ChrisK@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:58:33AM -0800, Guest wrote:
> > > [glip - Tue Apr  1 18:46:21 2003]:
> > > > > [guest - Sun Mar 23 09:33:31 2003]:
> > > > > 
> > 
> > > > AFAIK the "always free palace" happens only if
> > > > 1. savepalace is enabled
> > > > 2. the nation is not able to build palace themselves (i.e. doesn't have 
> > > > the required tech)
> > 
> > I was thinking savepalace=1 means you always get a new palace if the capital
> > is lost.
> > 
> > Help also says so:
> > 
> > Option: savepalace  -  Rebuild palace if capital is conquered
> > Description:
> >   If this is set to 1 when the capital is conquered, palace is automatically
> >   rebuilt for free in another randomly choosed city, regardless on the
> >   knowledge of Masonry.
> 
> It's a help for newbies .. and i really dislike that it is default at 1
> on pubserver.

It has been introduced for Civ 2 compatability. I think the default is ok.

> > So I take this that you always have a city w/ palace.
> 
> No, only that you get a new when you have a city and you lost the palace
> because you lost your capital.

Uh, ok.

> > But consider these:
> > 
> > 1) I recently started a game and lost all my cities very soon. My explorer
> > then discovered a city in a hut, so my nation continued to exist - without
> > a palace.
> 
> Nice story.

Don't know what civ2 did - but I would make it build a palace in the first
city I get.

> > 2) When you sell your palace you do not get a new one, which is probably
> > ok. But what happens when your palace is sold due to lack of Gold?
> 
> I know no ruleset where a palace needs upkeep ...

Ok.

> > And an unrelated question, just comes to mind: what is the use of a palace
> > in a democracy? There is no corruption anyway, but if you don't have a
> > capital, it cannot be conquered ;) What am I missing?
> 
> You can't build a spaceship without capital.

So I tend to sell it when I'm in danger ...

Christian

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