[Freeciv-Dev] Re: rfc on allowconnect

[Robin Dziama <rdziama@xxxxxxxxx>]

Please excuse a suggestion by a newbie to freeciv, but a long time developer.

If the current client is transformed into a server-client pair with the
local server behaving as a client with regard to the game server and
allowing local clients that can accept observer connections as well as
allow the player to have multiple views (a trident tileset on one desktop
with a hires on another ) might be a simpler approach. I'm also thinking
multi-threaded. 

I'm just beginning to look through the current codeset and my linux box is
having a disk transplant, so I'll actually get more helpful in the
(hopefully near) future.

robin

At 06:57 PM 7/9/02 +0200, you wrote:
>On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 01:21:41PM +0200, Christian Knoke wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:01:01PM +0200, Per I Mathisen wrote:
>> > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Raimar Falke wrote:
>> 
>> > > > We need to simplify a bit to have this sum up, so I suggest we remove
>> > > > cmdlevel from the equation: The first player to join will get ctrl
command
>> > > > and nobody else. If that player quits while in pregame, the server
>> > > > restarts (the starcraft way). 
>> 
>> I think that is no good idea. The first player will be the dictator.
>> 
>> > > > Instead of requiring everyone to be ctrl, we
>> > > > allow everyone to set options that concern only themselves (like
setting
>> > > > yourself to ai or not, and setting a password on your connection).
>> > >
>> > > This seems like a non-small restriction. Why do we need this?
>> > 
>> > I couldn't find a way to combine the present cmdlevel system with the
>> > system I described without making it incredibly complicated and open for
>> > lots of abuse or silly pregame infighting over how things should be
setup.
>
>Well, 'ctrl' means you get to control everything required to set up and
>maintain progress of a game on a public server.  This inevitably includes
>things that hurt other players, like /cut.  However, it seems reasonable
>that all settings are agreed by /start time, and therefore should no
>longer be mutable afterwards, such as fogofwar and citymindist.
>
>I added a /fix command to allow this per option, but perhaps it should
>be a global setting.
>
>Being able to control the attributes of other players (ai or not,
>observable or not) falls under general server management: the server may
>become unreilable if there is no option to control this.  However, for
>a player with a connection, it would be best to limit control of the player's
>attributes to those connections.  A problem is that players may seem/be
>connected even when they aren't really there, due to lunch breaks or network
>problems.
>
>> > It is much cleaner with one superuser. If he is an ass, players go
>> > elsewhere and they don't play with him again. If he is not, then any
>> > number of other stupid users can't screw up the game (eg by
>> > joining&"/start" or putting everyone but one in his own clan and "/start"
>> > etc). Less chance of fuckup that way.
>
>This is already available with the 'cmdlevel first' feature.
>
>> There should be other ways to avoid this. E.g.: vote for options, all
>> players need to type /start, predefined fixed options for special server
>> (marked as such), ...
>> 
>> Also, if the stupid user is the first one on a server and doesn't know
>> what to do ...
>
>Either he leaves and someone else takes control (which is possible),
>or the others play elsewhere.
>
>> > Yours
>> > Per
>> 
>> Just my 0,02 EUR.
>> 
>> Christian
>
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>Reinier
>