[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Bombers/Fighters no longer obsolete (PR#1628)

["Ross W. Wetmore" <rwetmore@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Of course this implies that your attack power formula actually 
means something rather than being one of many heuristic formulae
none of which describes reality in any accurate way :-).

Now my formula of the moment includes defence and in this world 
one would never want regular fighters ...
  power formula = defence * hitpoints + attack * firepower

And if you don't like this formula, I can dream up 20 others with
some sort of feeble justification for their efficacy, but basically
all showing that your choice gives the wrong answer. Tomorrow I can
join your side and produce 20 in support :-).

Cheers,
RossW
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At 09:45 PM 02/06/25 -0700, Raahul Kumar wrote:
>Stealth fighter/bomber are weak compared to the lower tech equivalents.
Here is
>a rundown of their stats:
>
>Bomber                     Stealth Bomber    
>
>build_cost    = 120        build_cost    = 160
>attack        = 12         attack        = 14
>defense       = 1          defense       = 5
>hitpoints     = 20         hitpoints     = 20
>firepower     = 2          firepower     = 2
>move_rate     = 8          move_rate     = 12
>
>Attack power formula = attack * hitpoints * firepower
>
>4 Bombers            = 480 shields 
>
>Attack power = 12 * 20 * 2 = 480 * 4 = 1920
>
>3 Stealth Bombers    = 480 shields 
>
>Attack power = 14 * 20 * 2 = 560 * 3 = 1680
>
>The attack power of 4 bombers is a lot better than that of 3 stealth bombers.
>
>And considering that the defence of Bombers is 1, it's better to use a
fighter
>than a stealth fighter in attacking air units. So let the players build
>bombers.
>
>Aloha,
>RK.
>
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Cvs_freeciv/data/default/units.ruleset Freeciv/data/default/units.ruleset
>--- Cvs_freeciv/data/default/units.ruleset     Tue Jun 25 20:01:46 2002
>+++ Freeciv/data/default/units.ruleset Tue Jun 25 20:20:58 2002
>@@ -957,7 +957,7 @@
> name          = _("Fighter")
> move_type     = "Air"
> tech_req      = "Flight"
>-obsolete_by   = "Stealth Fighter"
>+obsolete_by   = "None"
> graphic       = "u.fighter"
> graphic_alt   = "-"
> sound_move    = "m_fighter"
>@@ -985,7 +985,7 @@
> name          = _("Bomber")
> move_type     = "Air"
> tech_req      = "Advanced Flight"
>-obsolete_by   = "Stealth Bomber"
>+obsolete_by   = "None"
> graphic       = "u.bomber"
> graphic_alt   = "-"
> sound_move    = "m_bomber"
>