[Freeciv-Dev] Re: Civ 2 Style Fighters

["Per I. Mathisen" <Per.Inge.Mathisen@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Gregory Berkolaiko wrote:
> Also I have a problem with Stealth Bombers obsoleting Bombers.  Bombers
> cost 120 shields and have attack of 12.  Stealth Bombers cost 160 shields
> and have attack 14 (they have higher defence but they can still fall prey
> to Fighters).  Obsoleting rules mean that you are forced to build Stealth
> although they are not much better and much more expensive.

High Tech sucks, eh?

> And they still cannot take out a battleship (success prob 7%), which also
> cost the same amount!!  In fact, nothing can take out a battleship (while
> in reality it's a vulnerable target for planes).

Absolutely. Want a quick fix?

F_SHIPBUSTER - triple attack power against ships, granted to a unit that
you can call torpedo bomber or some such. Coupled with Raahul's patch,
giving fighters 400% bonus to defense against aircraft, suddenly aircraft
carriers start making sense.

But that might be making island defenses a bit too simple. If the attacker
cannot yet build yet build carriers or aegis, he's royally screwed (you
could argue he deserves to be, however).

> I guess a more balanced situation would be:
> Battleship:
> vulnerable vs advanced planes and missiles
> not vulnerable vs other marine units (exc. battleship)
> AEGIS Cruiser:
> not vulnerable vs any air units
> vulnerable vs some marine units (battleship, submarine)
>
> Bomber:
> good attack except against SAM or AEGIS-defended units
> vulnerable vs fighters
> Stealth:
> excellent attack except against AEGIS-defended units
> vulnerable vs Stealth fighters
> very costly (maybe even 2 shields a turn to maintain)
> Missiles:
> two take out a battleship with profit

I agree completely.

BTW, why don't "Stealth" Fighter/Bombers have F_PARTIAL_INVIS flag?

Yours,
Per

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