[Freeciv-Dev] Re: do you really want to work on the ~ (was: registry)

["Baumans" <baumans@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Am I the only one who's getting this? Mangled reposts of old messages with a
line at the top that says: "Originally to: David Bryan Smith" and a pair of
headers.


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> From: Raimar Falke
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> On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 08:30:15PM +0000,
> Jules Bean wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 08:25:23PM +0100,
> Petr Baudis wrote:
> > > I think we don't need XML at all. It at
> least looks much less readable and
> > > comfortablee for me. I would be
> completely happy with C-like ruleset syntax -
> > > i.e.:
> > >
> > > building {
> > >   id = "Airport";
> > >   name = _("Airport");
> > >   tech_req = "Radio";
> > >   effect {
> > >     type = "Unit_Veteran";
> > >     range = "City";
> > >     aff_unit = "Air";
> > >   }
> > >   effect {
> > >     type = "Airlift";
> > >     range = "City";
> > >   }
> > >   helptext = _("Blablabla\
> > > blabla\n\nbla\
> > > blah!");
> > > }
> >
> > That is neater.  XML is more verbose,
> certainly.
> >
> > > It would be IMHO much cleaner than
> current one, and actually not so much
> > > different. As a parser, I don't see
> anything particulary wrong on flex+bison.
> > > Easy to use, portable, effecient.
> >
> > I don't recommend it.
>
> > Writing your own parser is error-prone
>
> Not with flex+bison.
>
> > (unless
> > you feel like the challenge). Much nicer to
> use a library which loads
> > a format for you.  XML gives you that, and
> even some level of
> > validation.
> >
>
> > Alternatively, there may be standardised
> forms of the above. Doesn't
> > the stuff libproplist uses look a bit like
> that?
>
> I couldn't find an online docu in the first
> 30 matches of google. This
> doesn't speak for the library.
>
> > OTOH, the thing about XMl is there exist
> nice editors for it. And nice
> > modes for popular editors. And it's easy to
> filter and
> > transform. (Automatically generated
> beautful LaTeX format
> > documentation from your ruleset file?)
> >
> > I would argue that the *only* bad thing
> about XML is its excessive
> > verboseness when viewed by hand.  It has
> technical and pragmatic
> > advantages.
>
> Raimar
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