Re: [Freeciv-Dev] Races ruleset - patch

[Ed Cogburn <ecogburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Paul Zastoupil wrote:
> 
> Ed Cogburn wrote:
> > >
> > > But the point in freeciv is that the Germans did not "settle" Prague.
> >
> >         There is no distinction between a city that was built by one of
> > your settlers, and a city you conquered from some other nation.
> > AFAIK, none of the Civ games make such a distinction.  In freeciv
> > terms, Prague was conquered in 1939 by Nazi Germany just before
> > WW2 started.  For a WW2 scenario, Nazi Germany would start the
> > game controlling Prague.
> >         Also, when you say German in this context, I'm talking about a
> > historical nation set covering WW2, so I'm talking about Nazi
> > Germany.  Obviously, the modern Germany nation set wouldn't
> > include Prague.
> 
> Actually there is a distinction.  That is why you can liberate cities.
> It also comes into play when you have partisans.


        Liberation, really?  I haven't seen that yet, my mistake.  This
still wouldn't help in the situation of a WW2 scenario and
Prague.  Prague would have to be shown as a Nazi controlled city
producing war material for the Reich at the start of the scenario
anyway, and since there isn't a Czech nation in existence to
retake Prague, Prague's liberation would have to come at the hands
of the Allies (Soviets got there first, right?), which is
basically what actually happened.
        I also agree this discussion is getting out of hand, see below. 
We seem to be drifting from the original debate.

        P.S., I hope partisans were made stronger in freeciv, because I
never found them to be significant in Civ2.  Their 4 point defense
was not enough to stop 10 and 12 point attacks, they died quickly
after being born.


> 
> >
> > > So it shouldn't be a part of the German city names.
> >
> >         Not part of the modern Germany nation set's cities, right.  I was
> > referring to a hypothetical 'historical' WW2 nation set which
> > included Nazi Germany, USSR, US, England, etc, used for a WW2
> > scenario (civ2 has this).
> >
> 
> Well you have a point here.  But most of this discussion isn't really
> that important.
> 
> Take for example the "American" cities. Most are messed up.  New York
> (once New Amersterdam) should be Dutch.  Boston should be English, Los
> Angeles and San Diego, Spanish etc.


        So, if the Dutch landed today at Lady Liberty's feet,  your
saying the residents of the Big Apple would treat them as
liberators and throw a party?  :-))  And I don't even want to
think what would happen if the Mexican army rolled into south
central L.A., the city of angels!  :-))

        This is why I keep trying to say this issue is impossible to fix
to everybody's satisfaction.  The code to handle cities which have
changed hands would have to track many variables for each city
over the city's life time, the code for this would be majorly
complex, and would be without any significant gain in enjoyment of
the game.


> 
> --
> Paul Zastoupil

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Ed C.