[aclug-L] Re: Dead Motherboard?

[DAVID CARMICHAEL <dec2955@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Jim - thanks for the reply...

The Duron was never overclocked and was using the AMD
furnished CPU fan and I had even added a "SMOKE STACK"
fan on the top of the case.. so I really do not think
that it was a over heated CPU?!?  But could be..

Why would the MB do the following then..

After having my current board off for 24 hours just
turned it on [really hoping!] and it stopped and
error-ed at the point
of KEYBOARD INI which per the Manuel is after the cpu
test, but before the VGA INIT.. 

The "MB" does not "BEEP" like most.. it is a MSI K7T
Master [6745] + SCSI
It uses a fancy four light LED DIAG system.
Before it had never shown any errors.

No Santa was not nice to me this year... I just want
to try to get this system up and running again...

I have had troubles with it since I built the system
with "RE-BOOT HANGS" and most of the time just turning
off and on the system it would start up correctly.. I
always thought that it was due to the SCSI not being
used that caused the hangs.. 

So far the feed back that I have gotten is:

-IF- "MB" bad CPU is still good...
-IF- "CPU- bad then the "MB" has also been damaged..

So I am going to take the risk and replace the "MB"
and hope that the CPU is still good..

The CPU has a three year warrenty from AMD.. so if
after changing out the "MB" the system does not start
up then I will contact AMD about how to
exhange/replace the CPU.. and hope that the new "MB"
was not damaged in turing it on once.

--David

--- jlweaver <jlweaver@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sounds just like a problem I had recently.  You have
> a AMD CPU right?  
> The AMD CPU chips run awfully hot.  You can burn one
> out even though you 
> have the AMD recommended heat sink/fan combination. 
> Most of the time 
> the CPU can run along ok but if you are doing some
> work which requires 
> CPU intensive work the temperature of the CPU goes
> thru the roof.  You 
> will have to buy a new CPU chip.  Do not use the old
> heat sink or the 
> AMD recommended heat sink.  I recommend a
> _*Thermalright Inc #SLK-900(A) 
> heat sink*_ and a _*80mm squirrel cage blower from
> Cooler Master*_.  
> That blower moves a ton of air and is fairly quiet
> and you can buy a 
> model that the fan speed is adjustable from the
> outside of the case.  
> The heat sink is massive and all copper. You will
> have to fabricate a 
> spacer for the fan since it is lower than the
> standard fans (1/4" as 
> opposed to 1") because of the mounting method
> required by the copper 
> heat sink (no screws).  MSI has a program Core
> Center which can monitor 
> the CPU temperature and sound an alarm if the CPU
> gets over a user set 
> temperature.  You must use a _*Ultra CPU PROTECTOR*_
> between the CPU 
> chip and the heat sink since the sink is heavy.  You
> can get the the CPU 
> Protector from CybertronPC locally for under $10.00.
>  You will have to 
> order the rest of the stuff off the internet.  Do
> not use the old white 
> paste you normally use but buy a little tube of
> _*Ceramique by Artic 
> Silver*_ which you can buy at National Computer. 
> Now dry your tears and 
> get out your pocketbook.  This is going to be
> costly.  Shortcuts are not 
> an option here.  Hope you got money from Santa
> Claus.
> Also, when you get the CPU up again the *very first
> thing you must do 
> is* run SCANDISK with the thorough option on all
> drives.  This is 
> necessary to repair the faulty disk writes that the
> CPU may have 
> caused.  This will probably take a lot of time but
> you can't afford to 
> skip it if you have valuable data on the disks. 
> Then you will want to 
> run Defrag..
> 
> Be sure to install Core Center and have it load at
> boot time.  You can 
> set the alarm point and also watch the temp climb
> when you stress the 
> CPU.  You can download a program called PRIME95
> which will exercise 
> memory and the CPU to varying degrees.  It is a
> program that computes 
> prime numbers by several methods.  Good luck.
>
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> 
> DAVID CARMICHAEL wrote:
> 
> >-=Pick Your Brain below=--
> >--- DAVID CARMICHAEL <dec2955@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I am about ready to cry...
> >>
> >>Either my CPU, video card, or motherboard crashed
> on
> >>my Duron system...
> >>
> >>You dont't happen to have test system to help
> track
> >>down to make sure which part it is do you??
> >>
> >>--David
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >OK here is what I "THINK"
> >Either the CPU has gone bad or the motherboard has
> >gone bad..
> >
> >The motherboard is a an MSI K7T (MS-4847+SCSI)
>
>http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=96
> >
> >This "MB" does not use "BEEPS" but uses a fancy 4
> LED
> >lighting system...
> >
> >Even wtih all memory pulled the "MB" is reporting
> that
> >all is well .. all four the the LED's are 'GREEN'
> >which the Manuel states it is trying to load the
> >"OS".. 
> >
> >I have disconnected all IDE drives..... yet when I
> >turn on the system the case IDE active light comes
> on
> >and the keyboard never goes into its test (num
> lock,
> >ect.. flash)
> >
> >I can pull the CMOS reset and the case power button
> >does not work..
> >
> >Per the manual IF it was a bad CPU I would get four
> >'RED' led's
> >
> >Re-Reading the Manuel it stated that a bad
> "battery"
> >could be the cause of my troubles... and feedback
> on
> >this thought??? Before I go an spend $5 on a new
> >battery when it is something else??
> >
> >--David
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