[aclug-L] Re: FW: , Please help save SaturdaySale computer sale

[Chris Owen <owenc@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Jeff Vian wrote:

> Yes I had to be ask to be added.  The management assured me they would
> not be doing spam and that the ONLY way anyone was added to their list
> was if it was requested.

I'm quite sure that these businesses (all located in Garden City) did not
ask to have their addresses added.  Especially since the addresses in
question weren't even valid addresses in the first place.

> I have never gotten spam from their address in over a year. Only the 1
> - 2 messages a month promoting the next event.
>
> I think from his explanation that it is likely the sale management is
> not doing the spam.  But rather that someone else is forging the sale
> address as so many spammers do if the mail server is not set up to
> block that tactic.

The emails were from: tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

They were relayed from a SWBell DSL IP address.  The machine used
"saturdaysale.com" as it's HELO greeting during the SMTP exchange.

The email referred back repeatedly to the www.saturdaysale.com site.

Unless someone went to extraordinary effort to forge this as being from
them (and went to great links to promote www.saturdaysale.com) then I'm
pretty sure it was from them.

> In any case, he can ask to be removed from the list and the management
> will make sure they are not sending mail to him.  That will not stop
> the spam from other sources though.

My point (from the beginning) is that such practices are not conducive to
projecting an image of a "legitimate business" and not suggesting that
they are "fly by night".  Web scrapping email adddresses and spamming them
suggests exactly the opposite.

Chris

> Jonathan Hall wrote:
> >
> > Why don't we stop yelling at each other?  I think from Chris's previous
> > explanation, it's pretty clear he did NOT ask to be added.
> >
> > I know *I* had to ask to be added.  And you probably did.  But Chris did
> > NOT.
> >
> > And if you say Chris did ask, then that means he's either a liar or crazy.
> > He may be either or both, but I don't know him well enough to make that
> > judgement, so until I do know him that well, I'll assume he's just as sane
> > as you or I, and that he did NOT sign up for their list.
> >
> > -- Jonathan
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 04:05:00PM -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
> > >
> > > You DID have to ask them to add you.
> > >
> > > The first time i went to the sale I was asked to fill out a registration
> > > form for the purpose of being put on the mailing list.  I am sure you
> > > did something similar without reading it or without remembvering what it
> > > was for.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris Owen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, James O. Harms wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > Chris Owen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They would also be better off if they didn't spam for their 
> > > > > > > > Saturday
> > > > > > sale.
> > > > > > > > Might go a long way towards convincing me they were a "legimate
> > > > > > business".
> > > > > > > > YMMV.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't consider their notices as spam.  If you find it 
> > > > > > > objectionable you
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > ask that your name be removed.  Simple solution..........
> > > >
> > > > It isn't that simple.  I shouldn't have to ask them to be removed, I
> > > > should have to ask them to add me.  Our customers currently receive over
> > > > 500,000 pieces of unsolicited crap each day.  I personally get between
> > > > 300-400 a day.  At those sort of levels your email becomes unsuable.
> > > >
> > > > I spend 30-60 minutes a day doing nothing other than updating our local
> > > > spam filters.  It is an annoying, frustrating waste of time that 
> > > > shouldn't
> > > > be as necessary as it is.
> > > >
> > > > Sending unsolicited email is just plain bad business and if they want to
> > > > make a case that they are a "legitimate business" sending out spam is 
> > > > not
> > > > helping their case.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
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Chris Owen             ~  Hubris Communications  ~  Lottery (noun):
PO Box 1969            ~  120 S Market Suite 101 ~     A stupidity tax
Garden City, KS 67846  ~  Wichita, KS 67202      ~
Voice: (620) 275-1900  ~  Voice: (316) 858-3000  ~     www.hubris.net
Fax:   (620) 275-0313  ~  Fax:   (316) 858-3001  ~
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