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Subject: [Freeciv-Dev] Re: Germans and Adolf Hitler
From: Gregory Berkolaiko <Gregory.Berkolaiko@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:07:07 -0600 (CST)

I tend to agree with Miguel.  There are many leaders comparable in their 
cruelty with Hitler.  For me, Stalin definitely is one of them, since his 
policies killed some of my relatives while Hitler planned to but couldn't.
What distinguishes Hitler from the rest is the taboo about his person.

Going further, there are probably no political leaders who do not inspire 
negative emotions in some people.  I know some people who really dislike 
Ghandi, for example.

But to accommodate the concerns of Ruben we can introduce the flags into 
rulesets that prevent certain leaders from being assigned randomly.  


On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Miguel Farah wrote:

> Er... so what if someone wants to play with that name?
> Not that I'm a fan of AH (I'M NOT!), but he WAS the leader of the
> germans at some
> point in their history.
> If we agree that "awful" leaders shouldn't be listed in the Freeciv
> data files, how do
> we determine who gets to be thrown out? Few people, if any, will
> object to Hitler
> being removed from the german data file. But what about Franco from the 
> spanish
> data file? Pinochet from the chilean? Mortadelo from the spanish file?
> Any number
> of medieval or earlier kings that did some war atrocity against
> another nation? Or
> someone we don't really like (for example, I'd be thrilled to remove
> O'Higgins from
> the chilean data file and Perón from the argentinian one, because I
> dislike both of
> them)?
> Where should the line be drawn?
> I think it's best if it's kept as it is. I know I can choose some
> other leader whenever
> I play as a german.
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 02:03:59 +1100, Ruben Zilibowitz
> <rzilibow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I chanced upon a game on one of the pubservers where someone had the
> > name "Adolf Hitler" and was playing as the Germans of course. It didn't
> > occur to me at the time that it was probably a chance random selection
> > by their client which features this player name as one of it's
> > predefined options.
> > 
> > I know it is nice to have a civilization simulation featuring
> > completeness, but I think Hitler should be removed from the list. It is
> > not kosher (pun intended) to have that in the game, and for people to
> > play with the name of this recent genocidal killer. It is a terribly
> > provocative and contentious two words.
> > 
> > I wouldn't want to play against someone in any game who called
> > themselves by such a name.
> > 
> > What are your opinions about this?
> > 
> > Ruben
> > 
> > 

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