Re: [aclug-L] meeting suggestions

[JOHNSTONE JEREMY S <jsjohnst@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

So far, I've haven't found much of a need to run a WINE/WABI style
emulator, but occasionally I need to run some off the wall program I got
from somewhere and it only runs in Win3.1/95. In the rare cases that thjis
happens I have to reboot one of my linux boxes into Win95 to run it. The
problem is, the machine that can boot 95 is also my NFS file server
(probably bad choice) and I don't have a desire to dedicate a machine to 95. 
That's why I wanted it. I do definitely agree about the Win/OS2 issue and
side with your opinion, but occassionally I do need Winbloze (ick)

Thanks, Jeremy


On 3 Sep 1998, John Goerzen wrote:

> Hi Jeremy!
> 
> (I've gotta sound excited, considering what I have to tell you in the
> next paragraph. <g>)
> 
> Unfortunately, to be quite blunt, WINE at this point is not usable for 
> much past solitaire, and Linux has some very nice Solitaire games,
> thank you :-)
> 
> WABI on the other hand has been reputed to be "fair" in general, but
> at this point, Linux doesn't have "excellent" emulation of Windows.
> 
> Linux does have excellent DOS emulation, though, and we can take a
> look at that sometime if there is interest.
> 
> My personal take on this (and I'm sure that there is disagreement!) is 
> that this is a good thing.  OS/2 had (has?) excellent emulation of
> Windows.  This was a problem for OS/2 -- nobody would write OS/2
> native programs because companies would be lazy.  They'd just write a
> Windows version knowing it would work under OS/2 as well.
> 
> We have seen a lot of exciting ports to Linux lately -- WordPerfect 8, 
> Corel Draw and maybe Ventura coming, Netscape (been here for awhile),
> Oracle, etc.  We've already got a full office suite, so there aren't a 
> lot of things that are missing except perhaps for some games.  Those
> wouldn't run in emulation anyway.  If I might ask, what sort of
> Windows software would you like to run which you don't have Linux
> equivolents of?  Maybe there's something for Linux out there that's
> been hiding :-)
> 
> Regards,
> John Goerzen
> 
> JOHNSTONE JEREMY S  <jsjohnst@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> 
> > A topic I have seen a lot of traffic on this list a lot and something I
> > don't think there has been a metting on (forgive me if I'm wrong.) Is
> > setting up a Windoze based network to access the Internet through a linux
> > box. I have plenty of both personal (win machine's gone now 'cept one) and
> > commercially (I have setup several business's in this way.) and would be
> > glad to help lead a meeting on the topic. We could tie in ppp setup,
> > diald, ip masquerading, ip firewalling, email setup, and such. One other
> > positive thing about this topic is due to the install fest last month I am
> > sure we have plenty of users who either can't get online or don't fully
> > understand how it works do to the fact someone else just set it up for
> > them. Two topics I would like to see in the future would be SAMBA, and
> > another one on WABI/WINE. These are two topics I am interested in and just
> > haven't had the time/need to do indepth research into them.
> > 
> > 
> > On 1 Sep 1998, John Goerzen wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks for the suggestions!  I've received lots of good ones from you
> > > and others.  Fortunately we've got archives so I can go back to this
> > > thread in the future and see what people are interested in!
> > > 
> > > Wesley Simon <wsimon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > > 
> > > >         - Have a guest (or regular member) discuss their Linux specialty
> > > 
> > > Always willing to have guest speakers if any turn up.  Unfortunately,
> > > haven't had any yet.  On the other hand, I haven't really done
> > > extensive searching for people.
> > > 
> > > >         - Someone from a Linux run ISP
> > > 
> > > There aren't any of these in Wichita but there are ones in Hutch.  As
> > > far as I know, the largest Linux house in this part of the state
> > > (maybe the whole state?  who knows?) is the Computer Sceince Dept. at
> > > Wichita State.  I've always been willing to talk about why we use
> > > Linux, and in fact, have done so several times but we haven't had a
> > > meeting dedicated to that topic.
> > > 
> > > >                 - Discussion of why they chose Linux over other
> > > >                   alternatives (i.e. NT, Solaris, Digital Unix, BSD,
> > > >                   AIX, etc.).
> > > >                 - Discussion of their implementation
> > > >                 - The problems avoided by their choice and the problems
> > > >                   that a company like Feist (NT) is experiencing as a 
> > > > result
> > > >                   of their choice of OS.
> > > >                 - Perhaps a tour of their facilities.
> > > 
> > > We've done all these (including a tour) regarding WSU, but we will
> > > probably not be able to do the tour again in the future.  Good idea
> > > nonetheless.  If somebody would like to check around for guest
> > > speakers in the area, please let me know if you find somebody that
> > > could be interesting and we'll discuss if we want them to come and
> > > give a presentation.
> > > 
> > > One problem we run in to in Wichita is that there is a high
> > > penetration of commercial Unix solutions since the Wichita high-tech
> > > sector is older than that which you might find in other cities,
> > > especially due to the airplane industry and things like Koch, whose
> > > needs for high-end and reliable computing predated the release of
> > > Linux.  Once one Unix OS is being used, conversion can be so costly
> > > that it is often not attempted.
> > > 
> > > > - A functional example of SAMBA
> > > 
> > > We've talked about Samba but haven't had enough equipment assembled
> > > together to set up a mini LAN, unfortunately.
> > > 
> > > >         - Dynamic mounting and unmounting of the CDROM
> > > 
> > > There are currently some "experimental" methods to do this but no good 
> > > method to date.  One problem is that doing this can be a huge security 
> > > risk (we can go into more detail here on the list if you like).
> > > 
> > > >         - Restricting access
> > > 
> > > We talked about this at our networking meeting.
> > > 
> > > >         During any type of Q&A allow someone from the audience a chance 
> > > > to 
> > > >         answer.  I know that this is not dis-allowed, but it would 
> > > > allow 
> > > >         more people to actually participate rather than sit and listen.
> > > 
> > > This is always encouraged -- please pipe up if you've got something to 
> > > say :-)
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > John Goerzen   Linux, Unix consulting & programming   
> > > jgoerzen@xxxxxxxxxxxx |
> > > Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade)       
> > > www.debian.org |
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