[linux-help] Re: Recommendation for a video card.

["Jonathan Hall" <flimzy@xxxxxxxxxx>]

S3 is a manufacturer.  You can't clone that.  You can buy chips from the
manufacturer, then put them on your "generic" board.  Savage 4 is a specific
chipset manufactured by S3.  That would be an example of a chipset sold to
other manufacturers (and possibly relabled with other brand names).  Voodoo
is a family of chipsets.  Prior to Voodoo 3, they were often sold by 3dfx
and resold under different names (Creative Labs for instance sold cards with
the Voodoo 2 chipset called a VideoBlaster something-or-other (they have a
lot of "VideoBlaster" products, including webcams, video cards, and probably
other things).

So still I submit that it's not an S3 or Voodoo clone, because I believe
that is a nonsensical term, just as "a Toyota clone" is nonsensical.  It's
either a Toyota, or it's not.  If it uses parts manufactured by Toyota
(which is common), but is sold under another name, then it uses Toyota parts
and is sold under a different name, but is not a clone.

I've heard a similar misunderstanding when people have talked about
"USRobotics clones" when refering to modems with a TI chipset (which
many/most/all USR modems use).  Just because they both get their chipsets
from the same source doesn't mean they're clones of each other, though.

If Chevy buys a body from Toyota, and puts their engine and transmission in
it and sells it as a Nova (which they did), then it's not a Toyta clone...
it's a Chevy built with some Toyota parts.

-- Jonathan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne McCadden" <ironrose@xxxxxxx>
To: <linux-help@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: [linux-help] Re: Recommendation for a video card.


>
> They made clones for the S3, Savage 4, and Voodoo cards and sold them
> under the EON brand name.  As a consumer you could save a few dollars or
> more by buying the EON rather than the better name brand.  Being a
> budget minded person, I bought several of these cards and used them in
> builds for several people.  That is how I use to make extra money is
> buying parts with my discount and building computers for family and
> friends.  Turns out that I didn't make much money, but I learned a lot.
>  Doing business with family and friends doesn't always turn out very
> well.  Then they download everything on the web and blamed me when it
> went foobar, saying that I sold them a defective computer from cheap
> parts.  I spent many late nights wiping and reloading hard drives and
> for free.  No more to that nonsense!   I would rather find something
> else to do with my time and maybe earn some money.
>
> Jonathan Hall wrote:
>
> >A clone to the S3 and Voodoo cards?  What exactly does that mean?  S3
makes
> >terrible cards, and Voodoo made, for its time, good cards.  I don't see
how
> >something can clone both.  Or does it have both terrible and good
features?
> >:)
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Anne McCadden" <ironrose@xxxxxxx>
> >To: <linux-help@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:42 PM
> >Subject: [linux-help] Re: Recommendation for a video card.
> >
> >
> >>It is a video card clone to the S3 and Voodoo cards.  I have the CD for
> >>all the Windoze drivers if you need them.  Linux installed the drivers
> >>without any problems.  I had one of the video cards in my second linux
> >>computer and it worked great.
> >>
> >>Clint Brubakken wrote:
> >>
> >>>What is the Eon? I've never heard of it and can't find information on
it
> >>>in google.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Sun, 2002-08-25 at 21:18, Jeff Vian wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Clint,
> >>>>
> >>>>I have 2 used cards.
> >>>>One is a Matrox Millenium II.
> >>>>the other is a 64+ Eon.
> >>>>Both have either 8mb or 16mb on them (They are not in use right now so
I
> >>>>can't check that).
> >>>>
> >>>>Both have worked well for me.
> >>>>The price is right as well ( $5.00 OBO for either one ). :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>Clint Brubakken wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>I know, but of the 3 responses I received one, 2 were questioning if
I
> >>>>>really meant what I said in my question.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've noticed that lately is becoming more common, when people ask
> >>>>>questions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I could understand if someone was clueless and didn't give enough
> >>>>>information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Another example recently was when someone had problem with installing
> >>>>>
> >an
> >
> >>>>>rpm, one suggestion was to use debian instead.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: linux-help-bounce@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:linux-help-bounce@xxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>On Behalf Of Anne McCadden
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:27 PM
> >>>>>To: linux-help@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>Subject: [linux-help] Re: Recommendation for a video card.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Well, you didn't say why, PCI video cards are getting rare and AGP is
> >>>>>much more common, but ISA video cards are much more rare.  I have a
PCI
> >>>>>16mb video card in use right now, but when it becomes available I
could
> >>>>>let you know, that is if you haven't already found another PCI video
> >>>>>card.  All my other PCI video cards are 4mb or less.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Clint Brubakken wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>well, I guess i could be ISA, bought I thought PCI would be faster.
It
> >>>>>>has on board AGP, so theoritically I might be able to sodder in a
agp
> >>>>>>card, but thats beyond my knowledge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 22:00, Anne McCadden wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Does it have to be a pci video card?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Clint Brubakken wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I need a good, pci, 2d card that works with linux and X.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I was thinking like getting an ATI 16 or 32 meg card (has 3d, but
> >>>>>>>>hard to find it without).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>This is for me workstation, I will mainly be editing code and
> >>>>>>>>
> >viewing
> >
> >>>>>>>>web pages,with it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thanks, Clint
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Jeff Vian
> >>>>jvian10@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
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