[Freeciv-Dev] Re: The FS Project

[Rafal Bursig <bursig@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dnia 2003.03.25 20:06 Raimar Falke napisał(a):
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:23:07PM +0000, Per I. Mathisen wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Raimar Falke wrote:
> > > > <naive>
> > > > How about fixing SDL? This way our work will benefit the greater
> number of
> > > > people.
> > > > </naive>
> > >
> > > http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/1998-December/020268.html:
> > ...
> > > There are two facts which stand against this:
> > >  - freeciv uses select without problems
> > >  - 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/winsock/winsock/select_2.asp?frame=true
> > > claims that this function is available in all windows versions I
> know.
> >
> > So are you saying that it is impossible to work it the SDL
> maintainer, is
> > that it? Or that he has made his mind up about using the wrong
> approach,
> > and that is unacceptable for freeciv (it sure didn't look like it
> from the
> > post)? Or what?
> >
> > I'm definitely not going to insist on anything at all here, since
> I'm not
> > going to do any of the coding, but I am rather curious.
>
> I asked and Sam and I exchanged some mail (see
> http://www.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl/2003-March/thread.html and search
> for "select").
>
> --- quote of last mail ---
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:21:17PM -0800, Sam Lantinga wrote:
> > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 07:33:02PM -0800, Sam Lantinga wrote:
> > > > > That may be true but I think the wrong abstraction was choosen
> > > > > here. If select or equivalent function is available and the
> windowing
> > > > > system can be used together with it select or equivalent
> function
> > > > > should be used. This will cover at least X11 and win32. In the
> other
> > > > > cases you can fall back to polling.
> > > >
> > > > We're considering something like that for SDL 2.0,
> >
> > > So SDL 1.2 won't be changed?! When will SDL 2.0 be published?
> >
> > SDL 1.2 is API frozen, but I'm happy to accept patches that don't
> > affect binary compatibility.
>
> To get access to a key advantage of select (the native network
> support) the API needs to be extended. The SDL equivalent of
> gdk_input_add / XtAppAddInput needs to be added. And also the
> corresponding remove function.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Raimar
> --- quote of last mail ---
>
> No answer on this last one.
Raimar what I say now is hard but I read SDL list for some time and I 
get this conclusions :
"If you don't send code ( patches ) , you can ask forever"

And last mail from Sam is clear :
> > SDL 1.2 is API frozen, but I'm happy to accept patches that don't
> > affect binary compatibility.
If you want it , do it, but you can't affect binary compatibility.
I'm sure we can do somthing with that.

Rafal

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