[aclug-L] Re: ACLUG mailing list future

[Tom Wallis <wallis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dale W Hodge wrote:
> Considering the low volume of messages, either solution would work. The 
> real question though is which one handles spam the best. The amount of 
> spam that hits moderation has been staggering lately. While the users 
> never see it, somebody (me) has to deal with it.  Assuming Google groups 
> is up to the task, I'd probably prefer it.
>
> As for the lists, at this point I see no reason to keep anything other 
> than the discussion list.
>   

I would tend to vote for Google.    As far as the lists, I would keep 
discussion too and discontinue the rest (keeping the archives, if 
possible). 

T W


> --Dale
>
> John Goerzen wrote:
>   
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> The mailing list manager I use to host these lists, Ecartis, has been
>> abandoned upstream for a few years and was removed from Debian back in
>> May.  This has prompted me to do some evaluation of alternatives.
>>
>> The two main options that I'm considering are Google Groups and Mailman.
>>  Mailman would run on my server; Google Groups is obviously a Google
>> service.
>>
>> Some pluses and minuses of each:
>>
>> Google Groups:
>>
>> * Plus: Has an integrated web forum for those that prefer that
>>
>> * Plus: Nice, searchable, integrated archives
>>
>> * Plus: Can easily designate whomever we'd like to be full admins
>>
>> * Minus: At Google's mercy regarding UI changes
>>
>> * Minus: At Google's mercy to keep the service up
>>
>> * Minus: Has the basic features, but not many advanced ones.  Probably
>> enough for us though.
>>
>> * Minus: No programmatic interface to the archives; would maintain the
>> gmane.org mirror to keep mbox archives available.
>>
>> Mailman:
>>
>> * Plus: Exceptionally configurable.
>>
>> * Minus: Built in archives are essentially what's on lists.complete.org
>> now.  In other words, crappy.  Would move archives to gmane.org (and
>> possibly also to an archive-only Google Group)
>>
>> * Minus: No posting from the web
>>
>> * Minus: Rely on me to keep the service up.
>>
>> * Plus: Archives available (to me) in mbox format for transitions.
>>
>> My initial inclination is to suggest Google Groups, but the point of
>> this message is to gather feedback.  In either case, subscriber lists
>> could be migrated, and the @aclug.org addresses could forward to the new
>> place for a time.
>>
>> The second question relates to which ACLUG lists to keep.  There are 7
>> ACLUG lists visible at lists.complete.org right now.  Of those, there
>> are only two that have seen posts this year: this one and announce, and
>> announce hasn't see a post since January.  My suggestion would be to
>> move only this list over, unless people intend to start using announce
>> again.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> -- John
>>
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