[Freeciv-Dev] Re: (PR#19040) Rulesets with identical strings for multiple meanings

["Daniel Markstedt" <markstedt@xxxxxxxxx>]

<URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=19040 >

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Hi Sini,

On 7/31/06, sini.ruohomaa@xxxxxx <sini.ruohomaa@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> <URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=19040 >
>
> Hi,
>
> Some rulesets have identical strings for two incompatible tasks, like
> Hacker is both the 'adjective' and the male ruler name. These must be
> separated with a context indicator, since they are not translated the
> same way.


Fixed in attached patch.


The rulesets affected that I could spot on a quick glance:
> * hacker
> * european


What exactly is the problem with European? The 'European' nation group is
distinguished with ?nationgroup:


* Some rulesets (e.g. european, aymara) seem to define the ruler's name
> to be the same for male and female. But without a context separator, it
> is also impossible to translate them separately in languages where
> there's always some difference between men and women. Not that Finnish
> is one.


The problem with the title "President of the Commission" is that if I add
?female: to it, the string gets too long and the server refuses to load the
ruleset. Same thing with one title in the Swiss ruleset.

The problem in the Aymara ruleset is that we have no idea what these titles
mean anyway. Distinguishing between male and female gender in this case just
IMO adds unnecessary clutter to the pos.


Also, several rulesets have overlapping ruler titles, which can cause
> problems when e.g. "Chieftain" might not quite be translateable as
> 'tribal chieftain' for all nations, but just translating it as a neutral
> 'leader' for all would be boring. But this is a lesser problem.


Hm, I think you will have to suggest better titles for our English originals
then.


* confederate, european and soviet define a "Transitional" string, which
> needs a translator comment on what it means.
>
> --Sini



Added in attached patch.

Thank you the bug report/rant! Always a pleasure :-)


--Daniel
Hi Sini,

On 7/31/06, sini.ruohomaa@xxxxxx <sini.ruohomaa@xxxxxx> wrote:

<URL: http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=19040 >

Hi,

Some rulesets have identical strings for two incompatible tasks, like
Hacker is both the 'adjective' and the male ruler name. These must be
separated with a context indicator, since they are not translated the
same way.

Fixed in attached patch.
 

The rulesets affected that I could spot on a quick glance:
* hacker
* european

What exactly is the problem with European? The 'European' nation group is distinguished with ?nationgroup:
 

* Some rulesets (e.g. european, aymara) seem to define the ruler's name
to be the same for male and female. But without a context separator, it
is also impossible to translate them separately in languages where
there's always some difference between men and women. Not that Finnish
is one.

The problem with the title "President of the Commission" is that if I add ?female: to it, the string gets too long and the server refuses to load the ruleset. Same thing with one title in the Swiss ruleset.

The problem in the Aymara ruleset is that we have no idea what these titles mean anyway. Distinguishing between male and female gender in this case just IMO adds unnecessary clutter to the pos.
 

Also, several rulesets have overlapping ruler titles, which can cause
problems when e.g. "Chieftain" might not quite be translateable as
'tribal chieftain' for all nations, but just translating it as a neutral
'leader' for all would be boring. But this is a lesser problem.

Hm, I think you will have to suggest better titles for our English originals then.
 

* confederate, european and soviet define a "Transitional" string, which
needs a translator comment on what it means.

--Sini

 

Added in attached patch.

Thank you the bug report/rant! Always a pleasure :-)


--Daniel

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