[gopher] Re: Encouraging MIME types
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On Sunday 15 September 2002 21:32, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 10:14:32PM -0500, Timm Murray wrote:
> > text/text will still have a type of '0', GIF files will still have a type
> I assume you mean text/plain.
Oops, you're right.
> > of 'g', etc. Note that files with similar types would *not* use the
> > standard Gopher types. For instance, a text/html document would never be
> > sent as a Gopher type of '0'.
> text/html is type 'h' anyway. However, type 0 is defined to include more
> than you are defining it to mean.
Yes. I am intentionaly redefining the '0' type to be only text/plain
Where was the 'h' type defined? It wasn't in RFC 1436, and I didn't see it in
the Gopher+ doc, either.
> > 2) A new Gopher type, 'm', is to be implemented which tells a client to
> > check the MIME type in the Gopher+ space.
> A Gopher+-aware client should already be doing this; there is no need to
> explicitly tell it to.
> > 3) The 'I' type is to be either completely deprecated or used as a
> > synonym for 'm'. GIF files can still use the 'g' type, but any other
> > images should be sent with the 'm' type and their proper MIME type.
> This breaks backwards compatibility, I suspect.
That's the point. I'd like to progressivly destroy the item type field. I
figured that the seperation of GIF files and other image types doesn't make
sense anymore, so the 'I' attribute would be a good place to start for type
field deprecation. The 'g' type is only kept for the benifit of Gopher0
clients. For now.
> > 4) No new Gopher types are to be defined--MIME types are to be used as a
> > complete replacement. The only possible exception to this is for
> > research purpases, but even then, MIME types are encouraged.
> I can agree with that :-)
> However, overall, I don't really see any benefit to the 'm' type or the
> change in meanings for '0' and 'I'. Gopher+ clients should already be
> using the Gopher+ attributes (in fact, since views permit one menu entry to
> actually have multiple MIME types, they *must*). Gopher0 clients are still
> left with the single-character types, which I agree are a nasty thing. I
> don't see what purpose breaking some of the gopher0 clients will serve, I
It gives a clear indication of what's being actively worked on and what is
becoming stale. I basically assume that if a client is not at Gopher+ now
(or won't be there soon), it's not being activly worked on and should be
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], "Pray, Mr.
Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers
come out?" I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of
ideas that could provoke such a question.
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